Why is "It's something to do" apparently a valid defense?

[AzureFlare]

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Even if it isn't the only game in the world, from the 'other' side, saying it is alright just for the fact 'it is something to do' or 'you can play another game' is a horrible argument. Yeah, a decent argument as a player, but you essentially tell them 'good, we don't need ya, go off to y'r other stinkin' games'. Well, you essentially just told'm to stop investing in SE. I know if that were to happen to my designs I'd at least have a little bit of a bitter aftertaste.
And yeah, both sides have some absolute scum defending/attacking the matter. However, a game, or in an MMO's case, the content should be good enough you're willing to defend it against veteran players by mentioning the content/mechanics/quirkiness it has. Not because 'there is another fish in the sea'. I can't say I've seen such an argument delivered more than three times by the 'defending' side.
Meanwhile the attacking side, while spewing their own vile, has also provoked thought many more times and shown many more arguments in their opinion's favor. And no, I didn't bloat the stats with carbon copies.

Man, really you guys play RPGs and MMO's and you expect to them not have grinds? LOLOLOL

Last time I grinded, it a) wasn't as long in either of the genres you depicted unless it was a survival mode and b) it was worth the effort way more. Justifying a massive grind just because there have been grinds is really passé.

[Conando]

I suppose another difference with these single player rpgs is that you can actually do everything by yourself. The whole crafting thing they tacked on guarantees people who don't have the money are stuck unless they have quite a few friends with specialties. I mean imagine if say the item synthesis in games like Dragon Quest or Kingdom Hearts couldn't be completed because you didn't get some mostly worthless skill?

[ServerCollaps]

in my opinion they should make the relic a 10 times harder grind, but let the weapon -once you get it- rank up automatically with every major patch, that it stays on top of all weapons forever

[Ruri]

The people in this thread are really rude, apparently no one is allowed to have fun in FFXIV just because they aren't atm.

Made me laugh, but this statement is true

[Ageofwar]

The people in this thread are really rude, apparently no one is allowed to have fun in FFXIV just because they aren't atm.

Made me laugh, but this statement is true

it's because some people treat this game as another job (that you don't get paid for) and feel they need to grind out content in 3 days and not 3 months.

me I play FFXIV to get away from my job, so i try to have fun as some people already know

[meldon90]

i rather do the relic than stand outside fc house looking at walls details

at least a goal to do til 3.2 out

If you're not having fun do something else, watch a movie, see your friends?

Are you guys really saying that you're so out of alternatives that you were looking at a wall in a game because you had nothing to do?

[Chiramu]

it's because some people treat this game as another job (that you don't get paid for) and feel they need to grind out content in 3 days and not 3 months.

me I play FFXIV to get away from my job, so i try to have fun as some people already know

You think you're special? That you're the only one who feels that way? People have fun in different ways, just because some people are doing things you don't find fun doesn't mean THEY are not having fun. Stop assuming your way of thinking is the only way of thinking.

[Ruri]

it's because some people treat this game as another job (that you don't get paid for) and feel they need to grind out content in 3 days and not 3 months.

me I play FFXIV to get away from my job, so i try to have fun as some people already know

This is how I feel as well. It's an escape and is meant to be a game where you don't have to worry about RL issues and just mindlessly grind away at everything.

[Ruri]

You think you're special? That you're the only one who feels that way? People have fun in different ways, just because some people are doing things you don't find fun doesn't mean THEY are not having fun. Stop assuming your way of thinking is the only way of thinking.

Wow take it easy killer

[Shiki_Lockhart]

Last time I grinded, it a) wasn't as long in either of the genres you depicted unless it was a survival mode and b) it was worth the effort way more. Justifying a massive grind just because there have been grinds is really passé.

Sure, but relic isn't hard to get, just take time. I know that there will be some nolifes spamming alex 800x until they bleed just to be the first ones to get the relic but that's their own ego, goal and satisfaction. Now, I can't imagine myself spaming 800x alex so I will do a bit of every option available and get there. Like doing daily beastmen quests, doing the roulettes to get poetics and law to trade for 680 for those items when I can, mine every day for 1 map a day to see if I get some luck and then alex a bit every day and who knows some hunts.

Don't come here a few months later crying, when this relic is the BiS and you didn't do because of your reasons, because you are a lot behind now and ask for nerf so you can complete like how happened with the zeta relic. One thing you need to know, this is first step, don't take it as finished and don't worth doing because will hurt more on the long road if you don't follow.