Why does Clemency get interrupted? And why does Sword/Shield Oath reset combo?

[winsock]

What nonsense is that ?

I'll reword just for you Reynhart!
To avoid a dps penalty via a combo break, PLD needs to anticipate a max of 3 cooldowns. If you don't bother with anticipating, you *might* take a dps hit from a combo break.

This is as opposed to warrior who needs to anticipate a max of 8 cooldowns in advance to avoid a dps loss, or potentially death from a mitigation loss.

[Reynhart]

To avoid a dps penalty via a combo break, PLD needs to anticipate a max of 3 cooldowns. If you don't bother with anticipating, you *might* take a dps hit from a combo break.

Ok, then let me explain.
By switching to Sword Oath and switching back to Shield Oath, you "waste" 2 GCD for 0 damage. So, in order to gain DPS from stance dancing, you need time to do at least 2 full combos before switching back.
Which means...oh, look, 8 GCDs.

And Defiance is still offering its most useful benefit even after you take a hit, by increasing cure received. It means that PLD is more penalized for being in the wrong stance when the hit occurs.

[winsock]

Ok, then let me explain.
By switching to Sword Oath and switching back to Shield Oath, you "waste" 2 GCD for 0 damage. So, in order to gain DPS from stance dancing, you need time to do at least 2 full combos before switching back.
Which means...oh, look, 8 GCDs.

You're off topic. You're arguing on vs off gcd
I was talking about the effect of the stance change resetting the combo...
you know.. like... the thread title..
That is why you're confused.
It's 3 tops

[Reynhart]

I was talking about the effect of the stance change resetting the combo...

No. The fact that stance dance breaks combo is exactly why you need to do 2 full combos before switching back.

For example, let's take a RoH combo and a fast blade, for a total of 4 GCD. In ShO, you get, potency-wise : (150+200+260+150)*0.8 = 608 potency
Now, if you SwO just after the first Fast Blade, you get 150*0.8+0+200+260+100 from 2 AA in SwO = 680 potency

If you have to put back Shield Oath, you'd need about 7 GCD to still gain DPS by stance dancing, while still switching back to Shield Oath mid-combo.

If I were to argue only about the GCD vs OffGCD, I would have said that by "wasting" 2 GCD, you'd also let Goring Blade and/or Strength down wear off, thus losing either some damage or some mitigation...or both.

[winsock]

snip

No, we're not talking about the same thing.
You're talking about the minimum commitment in order for a stance change to be worth it, I'm talking about avoiding dps loss from a combo break. Minimum commitment is a conversation to compare WAR stance cooldowns.

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[kensatsu]

the weird thing, is Tank pos swap on War is CD, and on Dark/PLD it's GCD. GCD cancel combo but
Inner beast is GCD but it don't cancel combo.
It's a weird logic. Nobody can understand why...
I think also if the PLD should be the best denfense Tank, it can be true but the difference is maybe a little too light. because against magic the defense advantage is killed.
it make actualy a good comp to be WAR/PLD against physic boss, and War/dark against magic boss

[Reynhart]

the weird thing, is Tank pos swap on War is CD, and on Dark/PLD it's GCD. GCD cancel combo but Inner beast is GCD but it don't cancel combo.

Flash doesn't, Unleash doesn't, Clemency does...

It's obvious they pick that at random...