Desynthesis Endgame Guide

[kog985]

I forgot to take note the data, but for my BSM with currently stays at 88.16 dskill, back when pre-nerf, the success rate for Artisan's mainhand will stands around 60% right? Now they gave 100% when i have lower 88.16 dskill (around 83), and each desyn will gave around 0.30 to 1.00 dskill points.

And also with my current BSM dskill level, the success rate for desyn Mythrite mainhands are 21.60%. Same goes for my LTW with 86.24 dskill level and get 20.80% success rate for Ironworks equipment that haven't upgrade to Augmented. (Dodore equipments will give 100% success rate when desyn)

My GSM has 72.41 dskill at the moment, and when desyn Garuda/Titan/Ifrit accessroesi, it gave around 40% success rate and 1.50 to 2.00 dskill points if success desyn. (2.60% success rate for Ironworks equipments)

I am really sorry for not taking the data note, I will do it the next time. And I hope these informations will help.

[Nyalia]

I hope these informations will help.

Artisan's mainhands are r70, so your old chance with dSkill 88 would have been 82%. Now, an r70 item hits 100% at dSkill 79 (if my maths are right).

The mythrite main hands are different based on which one you're talking about. Could you please let me know which one? If, with 88.16 dSkill, your chance to desynth an r115, r120, or 125 item is 21.60%, my math is definitely off, but it's hard to know what parts is off from that.

86.24 gives you a 20.80% chance on an r120 item? That means my math is definitely off. Honestly, I kinda guessed on some of the formula due to having too few datapoints.

39% at -20, 20.80% at -34, 18.20/14 = 1.3/13 = 0.1. Hmm. Interesting. It seems like it doesn't go back up to a factor of 0.15 after 20 points, but stays at 0.1. I didn't expect that, it's far more generous than I'm used to from SE.

Ooh, you gave me another data point to confirm it:
20.80% at -34, 2.60% at -48, 18.20/14=1.3/13=0.1. Still 0.1 all the way down at -48.

All of this means the 0% point is -50, not -40. Wow. Okay.

And now to reapply it to the mythrite thing:
21.6/(14,13,12,11) = (X,X,1.8,X), so {W}=12. If you get 1.2% per dSkill point, then you're 18 points above the 0 mark. This is weird. If the item is r120, {W} should be 13, not 12, but if your dSkill is 88.16, then that's looking like a {W}=12 r120 item, which I don't understand. It doesn't fit the math. If your dSkill was actually 93, and the item was an r125 item, then everything would make sense, but if you're saying that with 88 you have a 21.6% chance on an r120 item, I'm just confused.

Maybe if you post the specific item you're using, or I had another datapoint, I could make sense of it? If your dSkill is really 88, then I wonder if it's ilvl and not rlvl that determines the {W}... or if HW items just have a lower bonus?


Thanks for all the data!!

[kog985]

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Sorry for the lack of information. The Mythrite I was talking about is Mythrite Hatchet, BTN mainhand, Lv 52, ilvl 85.

EDIT: I got the picture here.

[Nyalia]

Sorry for the lack of information. The Mythrite I was talking about is Mythrite Hatchet, BTN mainhand, Lv 52, ilvl 85.

EDIT: I got the picture here.

Hey, wait, there's materia in that! How many pieces?

EDIT: Let me guess - 1 piece? That's definitely an r125 item, and if you have 88 dSkill and my math is right, your chance with no bonuses should be 15.6% ((50+88-125)*(12*0.1) = 15.6). At {W}=10, materia gives 5% per piece. If at {W}=12, materia gives 6%, then the math works out. That means the materia bonus is affected by the desynth bonus from items with "low" rlvl! I wonder if the bonus from Tinker's Bacon is also affected?

[kog985]

Hey, wait, there's materia in that! How many pieces?

1 piece, Intelligent II.

[Nyalia]

1 piece, Intelligent II.

Okay, thanks! I has the math! And the math for the materia bonus! I can do the rest now, when I have the time. Thanks!

Though, one question remains - what's the factor below 0%? It used to be -2.5% for each point below the 0% point, making it harder to boost items above 0% with bonuses. I wonder if that's still true, or if that's changed? It could mean that you can desynth r115 items with as low as dSkill 60! That's crazy!

[Iagainsti]

Okay, thanks! I has the math! And the math for the materia bonus! I can do the rest now, when I have the time. Thanks!

Though, one question remains - what's the factor below 0%? It used to be -2.5% for each point below the 0% point, making it harder to boost items above 0% with bonuses. I wonder if that's still true, or if that's changed? It could mean that you can desynth r115 items with as low as dSkill 60! That's crazy!

I almost want to reset my lame Alchemy desynth(d171.8 currently) just to test this out on something quick like LTW. This would be great info to have handy for future players trying to get into this.