Strength Tanks

[Syzygian]

If anything, you could argue that it's just the opposite. The nature of Pld's cooldowns (especially Rampart and Sentinel) and passive mitigation (Natural block-rate/Bulwark/Awareness), make them more equipped to need less Hp.

See, I wouldn't argue this either. Because blocks usurp parry procs as opposed to coexisting with them, and math done early in the xpac seems to suggest that WAR and to a greater extent DRK have *slightly* higher innate parry rates, if PLD does in fact have greater passive mitigation its by like, 1%.

Rampart doesn't extend to PLD anything that IB or Shadowskin doesn't, and the extra 10% of Sentinel is paltry compared to the huge uptime of Vengeance. IB's 6s every 15-20 is actually WAY higher uptime than 20s every 90s. Shadow Wall is weaker than Sentinel yes, but the rest of DRK's native CDs, including Reprisal, have HUGE uptime. Imagine if you took 10% of Sentinel's 40% for 10s every 180s, and gave it to PLDs for 20s every 30s, 40 or so if parry rng is bad. That's kinda what DRK has.

[Februs]

See, I wouldn't argue this either. Because blocks usurp parry procs as opposed to coexisting with them, and math done early in the xpac seems to suggest that WAR and to a greater extent DRK have *slightly* higher innate parry rates, if PLD does in fact have greater passive mitigation its by like, 1%.

I singled these out because of the idea that a Pld's block strength and block rate are capable of being manipulated without the use of a Cooldown. Depending on the shield used, the efficiency of a Pld's block can far exceed the innate parry rates of War's and Drks, not to mention the addition of Shelltron which can force a block regardless of rates once every 30 seconds (so practically whenever a Pld feels they need it).

Rampart doesn't extend to PLD anything that IB or Shadowskin doesn't, and the extra 10% of Sentinel is paltry compared to the huge uptime of Vengeance. IB's 6s every 15-20 is actually WAY higher uptime than 20s every 90s. Shadow Wall is weaker than Sentinel yes, but the rest of DRK's native CDs, including Reprisal, have HUGE uptime. Imagine if you took 10% of Sentinel's 40% for 10s every 180s, and gave it to PLDs for 20s every 30s, 40 or so if parry rng is bad. That's kinda what DRK has.

You misunderstand what I was getting at. I'm was not referring to the overall uptime of the CD, or even the overall defense of the CD over the course of the entire fight. My comment was referring to the utility of a one and done CD that can and will efficiently mitigate a Tank Buster preventing the need for additional Hp to be regenerated by self-healing or a Healer.

In that regard, War's IB does not even come close to comparing because of the short duration and requirement of the Infuriated status. Even if a War is good enough to manage their Wrath flawlessly (which is entirely possible, but still oddly rare), it does not change the fact that the overall mitigation of a War is based on soaking the dmg with a high Hp pool (even higher with Thrill of Battle) and then healing it back. In terms of actually mitigating the overall dmg suffered, its not the same as a Pld or Drk. What Rampart extends to a Pld over IB to a War is time in the form of duration. Rampart completely covers the before, during and after dmg of a Tank Buster. IB does not. War's closest CD to mitigation of Rampart (in regards to high spike dmg, not overall dmg) is Vengeance. but even that move has a shorter duration and a longer CD, so it can not be used to the same efficiency as Rampart for covering Burst dmg.

Drk has, by far, a much more comparable defensive kit to Pld's than Wars, and I would argue the nature of their mitigation is the same. They focus on mitigating over soaking. However, what sets them apart is moves like Shelltron and Clemency (and even Stoneskin, technically). These are single use mitigation that a Pld can invoke at practically any time they want (short of spamming them) that can effectively eliminate the threat of a Tank Buster when used efficiently. Further, they are stack-able with any defensive CD a Pld can use aside from Bulwark (Shelltron+ Bulwark = The hell did you waste Bulwark for?).

Now, does this mean that they have higher overall defense? Heck no. Does it mean that they have a higher frequency of mitigation? ABSOLUTELY NOT. But their CD's are essentially designed for Burst Dmg mechanics, and make the implementation of additional Hp more redundant than it might be on War or Drk. Drk is by far more comparable, but they don't have the same Vit stats as War or Pld in the first place and are missing those lovely TB specific utility moves that Pld can take advantage of ... Though, to be fair, Pld's TB utility moves are often more difficult to successfully implement than War's IB (Clemency, I'm looking at you).