starting to lose interest in this game sadly

[Priya]

I thought this was going to be a thread about gameplay not the cash shop which doesn't affect your gameplay whatsoever.

I too thought this was going to be a game thread and not a cash shop hate thread. OP should use more descriptive titles.

[Zanmato]

Played from 2.0 launch, and yeah... it has started to get really freaking boring out here.

[Magis]

I am bored as hell as well. Games as shallow as F2P but charges us anyway. My reasons aren't really because of the cash shop but it does leave a terrible taste in my mouth, and doesn't help make the game feel even more shallow. Unsubbed a few weeks ago, but still have 32 days on my account so I post on the forums until it's up. Heck, reading the forums/posting is more fun than FFXIV right now.

At least I got FFXI to play and my own little 1.0 side project to pass the time. Maybe I'll rejoin when 3.2 comes /shrug.

[LaylaTsarra]

Must not like the game much if you'll let the few items the cash shop has to offer bother you that much. Personally I wish we had better options from a glamour perspective. There is really nothing much there that is really special in my view.

[karateorangutang]

Sort of, he listed a handful of other people that need wages too and brought up some other expenses. It doesn't mean they aren't making loads off of our subs already, and that they don't really need the cash shop purchases. They are a cash grab, because yes they are in the business of making money.

They company, in business of making money, will charge as much as they can to make money. The consumers, in the business of saving money, will try to limit how much they can charge us. Consumers do this through consumer feedback (like this thread) and consumer demand. Rolling over and saying they want to make money, so here take it, is very poor consumer behavior and not at all how a capitalist economy works.

At the end of the day it's still a business. If the game isn't making a sizable profit then funding will end. The goal of a business is to make profit, and customer satisfaction is just one means to meet that end goal. However, for whatever reason it's often supposed that it's the other way around by the customer base. If the game doesn't make profit then it will be shut down in favor of another model.

The problem isn't that threads like this exist, but that the numbers don't agree with a thread like this. Any large corporation is not gonna roll out a huge amount of man hours because of a survey. The one and only reason they would do that is a reaction to a downward trend. This game has not hit that point in it's life. It's too early and its still easy to grab players that are new to the game with easy promotions. For every long term subscriber there are many more new players, maybe they only sub for a few months but the collective mass of people playing 1-6 months more than likely earns SE a greater profit then the one guy who plays for 1-2 years.

When WoW went heavy cash shop a few years ago it was a reaction to the trend and a bid to get more new players. Why you ask? It's to get a fast and new player base. The man hours and money you would have to spend to make a long time player happy is significantly more than the amount you would need to pay to get a new player to be happy with a game.

It's a numbers game at the end of the day.

[Alipoprocks]

Wow, someone is losing interest in this game because of cash shop items? Not because of lack of content, okay. I guess I just don't get it.

But it is very fascinating that we have so many different types of gamers that play. And poor SE will never be able to make everyone happy.

[Kaurie]

At the end of the day it's still a business. If the game isn't making a sizable profit then funding will end. The goal of a business is to make profit, and customer satisfaction is just one means to meet that end goal. However, for whatever reason it's often supposed that it's the other way around by the customer base. If the game doesn't make profit then it will be shut down in favor of another model.

The problem isn't that threads like this exist, but that the numbers don't agree with a thread like this. Any large corporation is not gonna roll out a huge amount of man hours because of a survey. The one and only reason they would do that is a reaction to a downward trend. This game has not hit that point in it's life. It's too early and its still easy to grab players that are new to the game with easy promotions. For every long term subscriber there are many more new players, maybe they only sub for a few months but the collective mass of people playing 1-6 months more than likely earns SE a greater profit then the one guy who plays for 1-2 years.

I agree with all of that, and it's not contradictory to what I said. The point is that prices are fixated on a balancing point between two conflicting interests (consumers demand to lower prices and company's demand to raise prices). It is a consumer role in this scenario to voice up if you find the prices too high, and to make actions with your money.

We already pay a sub fee, which I am sure easily gives them their profits. The added costs through the cash shop are considered by some to be poor business practice. We have two methods to show this, either don't buy stuff, or voice our opinion. I personally do the former, OP did the latter.

Rolling over and telling him to shut up, because the company needs profits only helps the company. It's counter-active to your own interests as a consumer.

A comparison would be, say the PS4 launched at $2000, and someone said F' that too expensive. Another person came up and said, hey Sony needs profits Okay?. Then person A is like 'ah you're right, here sony take my money.' - does this at all sound like a logical and reasonable course of events? No, it's absurd.

In a capitalist economy, we focus on our own well-being and self interests. That is the basis for which we live and how our entire economy works.

[Evangela]

Cash shop items are worthless anyway. Why do you want it and why do you care so much about rich kids having them?

[Eidolon]

Snips

****ing hell I love you.

I mean. Yes. Very good points. Very interesting. *Sage nod*

I also really wanna stress that... I really don't like this toxic attitude towards other players who voice their opinion, regardless of their stance. I do not think that SE, as a corporation, is some innocent victim that needs to be defended by the players. I do think it's awesome that they have loyalty from a lot of their fans - that's great for them. But you also wanna make sure that you're not denying others their right to be dissatisfied with the product.

In other words... don't tell people off for disliking something. It's alright to disagree and have a discussion with them - but outright telling someone to STFU and take it is just... A loss for everyone.

[karateorangutang]

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That's all true, except for one thing.

People are buying the cash shop items. If they weren't then the company wouldn't pay the upkeep fees to keep the code or the system running. Just look around in game, I'll bet money you see at least 5-6 paid mounts. That right there is over 90 dollars that the company wouldn't have received otherwise.

I have no problem with people voicing the opinion with a good argument behind it. I also think that people need to be realistic in how they are presenting it. I have yet to see one single businessman or woman that would turn down the opportunity for more profit.

Now, if we could get a 2000 char limit I would be the happiest forum goer in the world.