A Tank Balance Megathread

[MeeYow]

Pretty sure Halone and Delerium have been shown to be 7% reductions to their respective damage type (ie, 10% stat reduction =/= 10% damage reduction)

If that is correct, Path is 50% stronger than PLD and DRKs equivalents combined. Something like this seems a lot more at home on 'the defensive tank' - swap the debuffs on Halone and Path.


Regarding TP, it is obvious that infinite single target TP on war is broken - having a resource never run out defeats the point of the resource even being there. Rather than shave equilibrium, a sensible first step would be to add below average TP costs to stack abilities, eg, 60 for fell cleave and IB, 100 for both AoEs.

This would give warrior still amazing sustain, but require some thought as to when to pop a TP equilibrium to keep going even in single target scenarios.

Another small potential way is to add TP costs to WAR stance dancing as it is unique in how it has no cost for changing.

Finally, regarding shield oath and grit, a common complaint about making these oGCD is that they instantly provide 20% mitigation/instantly increase your EHP. This can easily be negated by adding a cost of 20% of the players current HP to the defensive stance.

[Freyyy]

Pretty sure Halone and Delerium have been shown to be 7% reductions to their respective damage type (ie, 10% stat reduction =/= 10% damage reduction)

You know, that's a thing I don't understand. Some months ago when I was talking about Berserk on forums, I was thinking that 50% AP didn't equal 50% more damage, but someone told me that in fact, it does. AP = STR. So if +50% AP/STR = +50% damage, then why would a -10% STR debuff not equal -10% physical damage ? If there is specific maths about that I would be glad to know what it is.

[MeeYow]

I would like to know the details/source myself, my best guess is that if it is correct, it is due to the fact player and mob calcs are different, starting with the fact mobs do not appear to have any defensive stat.

As an aside, if they are all 10%, then the defensive tank still has better claim to the universal damage reduction, it will also make much more common use of a debuff which is somewhat wasted competing with WARs DPS.

[Kabooa]

If there is specific maths about that I would be glad to know what it is.

Keep in mind so much of the game's mechanics are obfuscated by the developers. This is intended to keep a simple perspective for progression ('More is better') of stats and gear. As accurate as the stat weights are, there's still a margin for error (Which many of them put in their disclaimer.)

For example, the simple math is that your damage (and by extension all damage in the game) is, unmitigated, your Weapon Damage x Weighted Attribute x Weighted Det. Adding more to any of these stats will result in a damage increase. I can't tell you by how much, but that's kind of how the Devs want us to look at it.


I've always been of the opinion that bosses work off their own stat set ups; a 10% reduction in primary stat doesn't mean as much if, for example, the boss has some arbitrary bonus damage that isn't effected by stat weights, or their stat weights are different.

This doesn't make stat reductions worse, mind you. It still follows the 'more is better' mind set.

MORE DOTS. MORE DEBUFFS. MORE DAMAGES!

[Shurrikhan]

You know, that's a thing I don't understand. Some months ago when I was talking about Berserk on forums, I was thinking that 50% AP didn't equal 50% more damage, but someone told me that in fact, it does. AP = STR. So if +50% AP/STR = +50% damage, then why would a -10% STR debuff not equal -10% physical damage ? If there is specific maths about that I would be glad to know what it is.

If AP is even a basic multiplier (term not subtracted/added from/to) in the formula, and you multiply it by 1.5, then the result (damage) will also increase by 50%.
50% AP = 50% more damage, but also 50% more effect from all potency-based skills (e.g. Equilibrium, Flash, Second Wind). That's the real benefit to Berserk.