Absolute frustration at not being able to see my own DPS (ps4)

[GTANJ]

Except that we've asked for it, and Yoshida has at least pretended to be interested in our feedback. Right now he has said that we can't handle it. But he/SE could change their mind and implement if the demand is there. They have motivation to keep us happy.

Please don't misunderstand: I know that the PC parse is not from Square. But Yoshida has given us the wink to use it, it's just they can't officially endorse it because they didn't develop it so they can't guarantee security. It's a liability issue, as I believe has been said. But if he's going to wink at PC people to use it, what about the PS people? It creates artificial tiers of gameplay. SE should take an interest in supporting the PS customers, not because they're PS specifically, but because they're customers in general. That doesn't mean they WILL, I'm a realist, but they definitely won't if we just shut up about it. I see no harm in having this conversation.

Your argument makes no sense. You acknowledge that Square doesn't/won't do anything to make the parser available on PC (the "winks" from Yoshi are completely meaningless if people can get banned for using it. I highly doubt anybody from Square officially suggests anybody to use it). You acknowledge this, but want Square to attempt to create parity on the consoles with a modification that they have no input/control over? That's such a silly request.

Also, if you're buying a console version, you should be of the expectation that you're going to get a different experience than the PC version. It's pretty common knowledge that the PC landscape will have mods while (mostly) console games do not. MMOs on console are no different. The ability to create and distribute mods on consoles is only possible if the devs build it into the game, which is never going to happen.

[UBERHAXED]

Or more generally: As long as the consoles are unable to download and run third party programs like PCs are, PC players will have an edge.

Why stop at a group parser? The next step is deadly boss mods (which you can then at least use the sanctioned ingame parser data for). And a hunt tracker, of course. And a small AddOn that shows the current light bonus once someone with the program finds it. See where I'm getting? As long as you turn a blind eye on third party programs, PC players will have an edge. This includes voice chat programs by the by, which will be the next thing you'll have to implement.

May be worth noting that Voip is not exclusive to PC players seeing as it's third party and not related to the platform you are playing on. Also might be worth nothing that PS4 has built in Voice chat, which is first party to Sony. As far as I know, any software that is first party to Sony is allowed because SE has agreed to Sony terms of usage when porting the game to playstation. That being said... Not giving any frivolous ideas of course. Of course if you were release a plugin under the guise of an Indie on the playstation store, I'm not sure how that will pan out.

[Fourbestintoner]

things

That PLD should start wearing STR accessories tbh fam.

[KaitlanKela]

Your argument makes no sense

Okay, I think we were talking past each other, let me back up a little bit.

I definitely understand that the disparity is not SE's causing or their responsibility to fix. They are under no obligation to because they're not the ones creating the problem. That said, my point is that there is demand for a parser because of this disparity. Who created it and whether SE has any control over it is irrelevant. If the PS players are demanding something, for whatever reason, SE has motivation to at least listen and acknowledge, because a good chunk of their player base is console and thus a good chunk of their money. It would be in the interest of perceived good customer receptivity for SE to implement, not because they're responsible for it.

I hope that's more clear/relevant.

[GTANJ]

Who created it and whether SE has any control over it is irrelevant.

No. No it isn't. That isn't true AT ALL. That's what I've been saying over and over. It is ABSOLUTELY relevant. Square will not make a parser. Period. They're not making one on PC. They're not making one on the consoles. Just because somebody made one on PC doesn't mean Square condones it. Because Square doesn't condone it, they're not going to create parity with the consoles. You're ignoring this very important fact and just brushing it off to fit your narrative, but you need to understand that Square will not do this.

Using your logic, somebody could create a nude character mod that Square could be 100% against, but you'd be arguing that Square should create a similar function on the consoles because PC users get to use it, even though that's a completely absurd thing to request. It's the exact same thing you're asking for.

[Odett]

No. No it isn't. That isn't true AT ALL. That's what I've been saying over and over. It is ABSOLUTELY relevant. Square will not make a parser. Period. They're not making one on PC. They're not making one on the consoles. Just because somebody made one on PC doesn't mean Square condones it. Because Square doesn't condone it, they're not going to create parity with the consoles. You're ignoring this very important fact and just brushing it off to fit your narrative, but you need to understand that Square will not do this.

Using your logic, somebody could create a nude character mod that Square could be 100% against, but you'd be arguing that Square should create a similar function on the consoles because PC users get to use it, even though that's a completely absurd thing to request. It's the exact same thing you're asking for.

I wasn't aware that you spoke for Square.

I see you edited your post, so I'll add the following comment to mine: if you think that the implementation of something that has absolutely zero effect on how you play your job is equivalent to that of a tool like a parser, then I suggest that you read up more on what's been discussed in this thread.

[GTANJ]

I wasn't aware that you spoke for Square.

Do you honestly believe that Square is going to create some kind of parser function for their game? I can't think of one MMO dev that has done that.

I will eat my words if Square actually ever does something like that, but I don't think I'll ever have to worry about that.

Also, Square has flat out said people can get banned for using the parser that does exist. The fact that they've done that shows that they don't have any interest in people using that kind of function in the game.

[Kaurie]

Square will not make a parser. Period.

It's possible. It's also possible they will make one. They've shown that they listen to player feedback, and that they are willing to change their plans and rework things based on feedback (Heck wasn't this exactly what A Realm Reborn was?).

This isn't the first 40+ page thread debating the necessity of a parser. It shows that it's clearly something people care about, whether more people have concerns over abuse or more people desire a parser is a different question. Threads like these won't be able to answer that question, and the only way one can be certain is if there was an in-game survey.

I don't mean to say you shouldn't voice your opinion, but your opinion atm is essentially 'no one here should be allowed to voice their opinion, because I doubt they would do it.' As I said, you may be right, but don't tell others to not discuss it. If you don't want to discuss it, don't post in the thread.

As for KaitlanKela, his/her arguments are one of the few things in this thread that do make sense. They are not saying that because a third party made software that Square has to do it, they are saying that because a third party made software, there is increased demand among those who cannot use it. This increased demand results in threads like these, and ultimately SE takes into account people's feedback and suggestions.

[GTANJ]

I don't mean to say you shouldn't voice your opinion, but your opinion atm is essentially 'no one here should be allowed to voice their opinion, because I doubt they would do it.' As I said, you may be right, but don't tell others to not discuss it. If you don't want to discuss it, don't post in the thread.

As for KaitlanKela, his/her arguments are one of the few things in this thread that do make sense. They are not saying that because a third party made software that Square has to do it, they are saying that because a third party made software, there is increased demand among those who cannot use it. This increased demand results in threads like these, and ultimately SE takes into account people's feedback and suggestions.

I'm not saying people can't have an opinion. I think people need to be reasonable with their opinions. Saying that Square must create parity on all systems for something they have literally no control over is a silly opinion. That's not a reasonable thing to want.

Saying that Square should have a system in place to allow ALL users of their game, regardless of platform, to utilize a parser is not a silly opinion to have. It's an opinion I agree with, as a console user myself. But I understand that people who use the PC will have access to things like unofficial mods that PS users may never have access to. And I don't think that it's on Square for making that available to PS users just because PC users can have it.

Also, reading KaitlanKela's post, that's exactly what they were saying. I don't know how you can interpret that any differently.

That was all I was saying.

[KaitlanKela]

No. No it isn't. That isn't true AT ALL.

What's I'm saying is that if there was demand for a nude model (lol), regardless of what created that demand, people would request it and then Square would say yes or no for whatever reason. Perhaps they would say yes. Perhaps they'd day no. No on principle, perhaps no because of resources, perhaps no because that's dumb content. Whatever. I'm saying that people should be allowed to request it. This is the place for such requests, being the official forum. That's all. Not really anything controversial, or so I thought. Just advocating for using the forum as intended.

I've also said (several times) that the Devs have said no to a parser already so I don't personally think it will happen and I'm not holding my breath. But SE has changed its mind. This is what the forum is for. Telling people it's not realistic isn't really contributing anything meaningful.

Also, reading KaitlanKela's post, that's exactly what they were saying. I don't know how you can interpret that any differently.

PSA, I can be referred to as she. lol

With these points, I was mainly trying to steer the topic back to OP's original intent. They were the one who brought up the disparity, I was simply reminding people that it was the original comment from the OP and that's what we should really be discussing. It is only one small part of a more complex issue. My point remains that there is demand, and SE could respond to that demand, and this is the sanctioned medium for such conversations.