Absolute frustration at not being able to see my own DPS (ps4)

[Colorful]

The problem is that SE is not the one implementing the parser on PC. They will never implement one and they will probably never support mods for the game officially, so a parser happening on PS4 isn't likely.

They still haven't implemented that addon feature that was promised to be released what now, over a year or a year and a half ago? A PC user has already released an alpha of an fully functional, or rather, the functions that came with the alpha and unbannable (unless you say you're using it in-game and get reported of course) addon framework, PS4 users are just going to lag behind further and further at this rate.

[UBERHAXED]

While I am pro-parser, the people it doesn't help that people in the pro-parser crowd have no idea what the parser is supposed to be used for. Parsers have 2 uses: 1. Compare two pieces of gear, 2. Leaderboards. There is no other use. Let's take this hypothetical situation between a group in AS3 with a dragoon named Foo and his dragoon teammate names Bar:
->
Party wipe to equal concentration
->
Foo: Bar you were 1000 DPS.
Bar: Okay.
Foo: I was 1010. You need to do better.
Bar: Okay. What does the parser say I need to do?
Foo: "Stop rolling your face on the keyboard."
Bar: Okay.
->
Party wipes again to equal concentration
->
Bar: How did I do?
Foo: 1621. The hell did you do different?
Bar: I turned off netflix.
Foo: Why was it on in the first place? You knew you could do better before we started.
Bar: Well we still wiped. How did you do?
Foo: 1007. What the heck this can't be right. I did the same moves as last time.
Bar: What does the parser say to do?
Foo: "Play a tank or something". Wait, what?
Bar: Well the parser is always right, my number went up.
Foo: Okay...
->
Foo switches to Paladin and the groups goes again.
->
Party wipe to equal concentration.
->
Bar: Well?
Foo: You did 1602.
Bar: We still wiped.
Foo: Because you went down 19 dps.
Bar: What does the parser say to do?
Foo: It says... woah this one is long. I'll quote it, "Permute the order of using blood for blood in the burst. Follow heavy thrust with Impulse drive combo and use B4B and BoTD before Chaos thrust. Use Phlebotemize after wheeling thrust.".
Bar: But What if I get fang and claw?
Foo: Are you arguing with the parser? It says you'll get wheeling thrust.
Bar: Okay... How did you do?
Foo: 270 DPS... WHAT?
Bar: What does it say to do?
Foo: "Hold control and press Q twice".
Bar: Is that like a cheat code?
Foo: Not sure, but let's go.
->Party pulls
->Foo mysteriously disconnects during equal concentration.
->FIN

I don't think the parser worked the way they thought. And they still didn't pass the DPS check.

[KaitlanKela]

The problem is that SE is not the one implementing the parser on PC. They will never implement one and they will probably never support mods for the game officially, so a parser happening on PS4 isn't likely.

If you're trying to say that this thread was an exercise in futile wishful thinking, I don't disagree. I've seen nothing to indicate that SE would develop this.

But it's not pointless to keep requesting it because third-party people can and will continue to produce useful add-ons for PC as long as the game is out there, and PS users will be missing out on that. Since SE elected to roll out to PS, they should take some cues from the PC development to try and give useful tools to everyone. If they weren't willing to commit to that, they should have only rolled out to PC. That was my initial point

And, you know, if resources really are the issue, they could say that. But I haven't heard it. At least not on this topic.

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I see. My response would be that theory is always there and has always been there. The optimal path would be to use both. But right now we're missing one of those things. I don't see how adding it would make anything worse. I guess maybe if people become overdependent on it, but then those people will be the ones pulling low numbers while everyone who thinks about their rotation critically moves on. I see no problem.

[UBERHAXED]

I disagree with almost everything you said, and am fairly unappreciative of the offensive tone you take while debating. So, I am not going to bother picking apart your faulty argument.

One thing to note, the part where you mention that parsers cannot accurately account for DOTs and the other part which talks about if parsers are inaccurately adding up your damage is the entire reason why I personally want an official parser from Square Enix (one which will use their internal data to be more accurate).

On your last note, not all damage counts. For example, on Faust, my numbers are significantly higher than anyone elses (as a SMN) due to added AoE damage from shadowflare/deathflare etc, but the damage on the adds doesn't matter. It's the damage on Faust that matters. When looking at that, I often fall to 2nd of the 4 DPS.

What you mean to say is that you have no rebuttal because your argument is flawed. Also Faust is not a raid boss so no one cares how much damage you do there. Beating Faust doesn't get you any achievements, loot, title or anything. In the real environment, you have to look at the group. Also, read last line of the quote, I'm pro-parser. But people don't understand what the usage of it is and it doesn't help that some of them are also pro-parse (such as yourself). If you really wanted to improve your DPS, you would first get the basics down (i.e. optimal rotation) then look at gear. When you can do the mechanics of a raid correctly, then you try to make the fight as close to whacking a dummy (or "Faust") as possible. You already know what the maximum and what direction to go. If you need reinforcement, then look at the screen for the flying text.

[Odett]

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Im just going to conclude that you're trolling, because you are so grossly misinformed that no one should even reply to you with a vaild argument.

[GTANJ]

If you're trying to say that this thread was an exercise in futile wishful thinking, I don't disagree. I've seen nothing to indicate that SE would develop this.

But it's not pointless to keep requesting it because third-party people can and will continue to produce useful add-ons for PC as long as the game is out there, and PS users will be missing out on that. Since SE elected to roll out to PS, they should take some cues from the PC development to try and give useful tools to everyone. If they weren't willing to commit to that, they should have only rolled out to PC. That was my initial point

And, you know, if resources really are the issue, they could say that. But I haven't heard it. At least not on this topic.

My point is, SE has no interest in creating a parser for PC, why would they have any interest in doing it for PS? The parser that exists on PC has nothing to do with Square, and I don't think they'll ever care about putting a parser or any kind of equivalent in the game for any platform.

[KaitlanKela]

Except that we've asked for it, and Yoshida has at least pretended to be interested in our feedback. Right now he has said that we can't handle it. But he/SE could change their mind and implement if the demand is there. They have motivation to keep us happy.

Please don't misunderstand: I know that the PC parse is not from Square. But Yoshida has given us the wink to use it, it's just they can't officially endorse it because they didn't develop it so they can't guarantee security. It's a liability issue, as I believe has been said. But if he's going to wink at PC people to use it, what about the PS people? It creates artificial tiers of gameplay. SE should take an interest in supporting the PS customers, not because they're PS specifically, but because they're customers in general. That doesn't mean they WILL, I'm a realist, but they definitely won't if we just shut up about it. I see no harm in having this conversation.

[Zojha]

As long as there's a real-time group parse out there and not in the game, PC players will have an edge.

Or more generally: As long as the consoles are unable to download and run third party programs like PCs are, PC players will have an edge.

Why stop at a group parser? The next step is deadly boss mods (which you can then at least use the sanctioned ingame parser data for). And a hunt tracker, of course. And a small AddOn that shows the current light bonus once someone with the program finds it. See where I'm getting? As long as you turn a blind eye on third party programs, PC players will have an edge. This includes voice chat programs by the by, which will be the next thing you'll have to implement.

[UBERHAXED]

Im just going to conclude that you're trolling, because you are so grossly misinformed that no one should even reply to you with a vaild argument.

Quite literally one of the only two uses:
http://http://www.fflogs.com/rankings/server/10/latest/

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[Arrius]

In the end, a parser not evil by itself, it's just a tool for gain information. That is up to the individual person how the data is being used.
And there will be good and bad moments with it, like many other additions where players are of divided opinions.