immortal flames unplayable

[Kurogaea]

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Actually we do lose alot, and no duh its her group, they're apart of Immortal Flames. Most players now gave up on trying harder. If both me and her recorded our matches the same result would most likely happen. Flames suck on the Primal server. It has nothing to do of how you play (unless you purposely face plant into enemy grounds). You can be the top commanding officer in the nation but it wont help you command these players who just don't give two craps what you have to say. I'm guessing they're all in it for the esos and law. Me on the other hand come there for fun and effort into winning which gets easily bombarded with a complete lack of communication between players and stupid ideas being spatted out.

But of course there are players who have won plenty of times, maybe 20 in a row w/e, but I absolutely dare someone record 20 matches consecutively and win 5 times. I friggen dare you. Its not happening for anyone and if it ever did, there'd be 3 premade groups working together in a 3rd party chat program.

[Februs]

Actually we do lose alot, and no duh its her group, they're a part of Immortal Flames. Most players now gave up on trying harder. If both me and her recorded our matches the same result would most likely happen. Flames suck on the Primal server.

You're gonna have to speak for yourself here, because you'll never convince me of this kind of nonsense.

Don't get me wrong, you're right that Flames have, by far, the most Eso/Law farmers out of every GC and can be a royal pain in the ass to lead, but saying the entire group sucks based on your personal bad experiences is ludicrous.

I've had hardly any problems with the Flames on Primal. My career winning % has been as high as 46%. Highest weekly % has been above 50%. I score in the 40's on an almost weekly basis when I PvP, and I've managed to keep my head above 30%. My time with Flames in Seize has actually increased my winning % back up to 35% since it's massive dip during Slaughter, and I was on a good roll before I stopped PvP'ing to dig into the new content (mainly Thordan Ex).

Personally, I'm not a big fan of leading the super derps, but when I have no choice, it is a rare match to have them completely ignore all outs. I'm not saying its easy, nor am I implying that I'm some kind of tactical genius, but I also won't claim that there a "complete lack of communication" either. Honestly, I'd like to see a match where no one communicated, because I've never seen that before. What I have seen (and I'm thinking is far more likely) is a group of pessimists starting an trend of negative comments in the chat box. I dunno about you, but, even if I'm not leading, I try to keep that kind of crap to a minimum because that is what loses matches. You'd be amazed at how much keeping positive helps the team win. Helps my matches all the time. Maybe yours are different, but given I'm not the only Flame with more 1st place than 2nd and 3rd (respectively, not combined), I don't think generalizing all the Flames by saying "they suck" is very accurate.

Also, what the heck does consecutive wins have to do with anything? Personally, my best winning streak (if memory serves) was closer to 10 matches, give or take one or two. Was an amazing week, and it was done purely with PUGs (cuz there are no Flame Premades on Diabolos).... but so what? Overall wins are counted, not consecutive wins. You could win one / lose one all week and that would still put you at a 50% win rate. So, your dare is fairly pointless and silly, because it wouldn't prove or disprove anything even if someone won 20 matches straight (they could win 20 and lose the next 50, for example).

TL;DR If you're having trouble keeping a solid win % with the Flames, than you should put the effort into at least looking for trends as to why your matches are so vastly different from mine (or people who have better than mine and end up in the weekly top 50), rather than issuing pointless dares and rambling about how all Flames must be bad because they're not dead carrying you to a higher Win bracket.

[Kurogaea]

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They take too long to react. Last 24 man match I had, we retreated to late, ganked at the wrong times, leaving Adders and Mael to ambush us, and near end game its the absolute worse, for where you can see which team is winning, no one notices till its too late. Also a good number of players who run out into the field yada yada you know. Only matches I won for a loooong time were the intense ones which everyteam is giving it their all and near endgame points but it rarely happens now and then (to me anyway). When it did happen the feeling would be drowned out with every loss afterwards, its like eating cake (idk your favorite) then chugging a glass of fermented bean juice (healthy barf basically).

Btw, theres a wolves den event at 8pm apparently for synched battles. They needs people to participate :/

[Februs]

They take too long to react. Last 24 man match I had, we retreated to late, ganked at the wrong times, leaving Adders and Mael to ambush us

I can at least relate to this. It's not that I've never seen this kind of bad play before. I do, and more frequently than I'd like (my winning % would be back above 40 by now if it weren't for such nonsense), but I don't take the few occasions of this kind of silliness as the standard of play.I've had just as many matches in which the Flames were on point and made good calls as I have where they've ran around like ducks in a shooting yard. Even if they are a little slow responding to changes (which they frequently are) that's no excuse to just give up. What people don't understand is that all of the GC's have the potential to be gun shy (unless using 3rd party chat), so if Flames were a bit slow on the uptake there will be a chance to make it up later. The only time that chance will slip us by is if we just flip table and give up.

The bottom line for me is that negativity (especially in chat) fuels the cycle of bad play. Every single match I've been in where there was seemingly no chance for the Flames to shine and show that they're not total dunces were matches where the players themselves gave up because they automatically assumed that the "Flames suck" and were gonna lose anyway. That's nonsense and turns into a self-fulfilling prophecy. If everyone in the chat is constantly saying crap like "gg," "Flames suck," "We're gonna lose anyway," or (my personal favorite) "we should just feed kills to get the match over with faster," than obviously you're going to lose. That many negative voices even encourage the good players to give up because they are basically being told outright that their entire team doesn't have their back. That's why, instead of filling the chat box with complaints (even if things are going badly), I find it's a much better option to encourage people not to give up or assume the worst. It doesn't work every time (It seems there are some people out there that just want to be negative and lose, for whatever reason), but the results are much better than adding to the negativity. Even if you lose, it's not such a sour loss.

Btw, theres a wolves den event at 8pm apparently for synched battles. They needs people to participate :/

I know, but I'm in a different time zone and missed it =/ It will be pretty much over already before I even get home. Makes me sad.

[TheWaywardWind]

Actually we do lose alot, and no duh its her group, they're apart of Immortal Flames. Most players now gave up on trying harder. If both me and her recorded our matches the same result would most likely happen. Flames suck on the Primal server.

But of course there are players who have won plenty of times, maybe 20 in a row w/e, but I absolutely dare someone record 20 matches consecutively and win 5 times. I friggen dare you. Its not happening for anyone and if it ever did, there'd be 3 premade groups working together in a 3rd party chat program.

Honestly, speak for yourself.

It's funny you mention all of this, but my win percentage and overall performance with the Flames the past few weeks and since Seize came out has increased dramatically. You speak of the fact that we can't win multiple times in a row, but I won six games in a row just the other day, without any premades. Granted, 3 of them were 24 man, but we had no voice chat and no other means of co-ordinating other than following calls. I don't know what else to tell you except the fact that you must log in during a time of the day when all of the bad players log on.

I log on and every single day now the Flames have been pretty steadily sweeping their way to victory. My weekly performance this week so far is 15-3-3. Last week was about the same. The Flames are now probably the dominant GC on the server, with Mael right next to us. Don't believe me? Look at the Frontline standings on the high scores for Primal. Nothing but Immortal Flames and Maelstrom. There's barely an Adder to be found.

If we were still in the days of Slaughter, I would agree with you. The Flames were utter trash in slaughter; we were pretty much there solely for kill fodder while Adders and Maels duked it out over first. But nowadays? Nah. The Flames win pretty handily.

[Kurogaea]

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During the day when the bad players are on? So what you play at night? Ok, so your telling me if that I play in the evening everday I should have a better win ratio than:

(like 2 months back I took this, after it was down to 10% win ratios)

Alright then. I'll take your word on that. Only evening matches till the week is over and I'll update. currently my overall (GC) peformance is this:

[Dimitrii]

During the day when the bad players are on? So what you play at night? Ok, so your telling me if that I play in the evening everday I should have a better win ratio than:

If you do play mostly at night your first place finishes should increase yeah. I play at around 9 pm to 2 am (eastern) and if we don't win as Maelstrom its almost always cause Flames won. Atm as a Maelstrom I'm 15-8-7 for the week so roughly a 50% 1st place win rate atm, which is good considering they are ALL solo queues, but far from being omnipotent as a GC. Clearly some of the other GCs are winning with some sort of consistency if my rate isnt higher and I can tell you it aint the adders >.>