immortal flames unplayable

[Kurogaea]

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During the day when the bad players are on? So what you play at night? Ok, so your telling me if that I play in the evening everday I should have a better win ratio than:

(like 2 months back I took this, after it was down to 10% win ratios)

Alright then. I'll take your word on that. Only evening matches till the week is over and I'll update. currently my overall (GC) peformance is this:

[TheWaywardWind]

You're saying the Flames suck, yet you have a near-average win ratio with them? I don't think you know what the word "suck" means.

An average win ratio is 33.3%, meaning you first, second, and third place wins should all be split about evenly. If your win average is at 30%, that tells me that your performance and win rate is only slightly below average. I would hardly call that "sucking."

I play all times throughout the day. Either way, we must play at different times, because my weekly win rate is at like 60%+.

[Kurogaea]

You're saying the Flames suck, yet you have a near-average win ratio with them? I don't think you know what the word "suck" means.

An average win ratio is 33.3%, meaning you first, second, and third place wins should all be split about evenly. If your win average is at 30%, that tells me that your performance and win rate is only slightly below average. I would hardly call that "sucking."

I play all times throughout the day. Either way, we must play at different times, because my weekly win rate is at like 60%+.

The near average mostly deviated from Borderlands matches, not Sieze. In fact I enjoyed Borderlands alot more as it was simplified fun and didn't require too much coordination from large groups. Sieze on the otherhand, yeah. I also play often since my schedule is veeeeerry flexible, so I can play till morning to around midnight, mostly getting my ranks up but also checking for fluctuations in wins and losses around certain times. I thought it was night time at first which was the Flame's glory hour but I lost a lot then, though apparently that has changed this time around. I'll just have to see now. :/

[TheWaywardWind]

I think most people will agree that Secure was far more enjoyable than Seize or Slaughter, but even so, we can't generalize the GC based off one battle mode and a few battles. Even if most of those are from Secure, you still performed well. There's nothing indicating to me here that the Flames are terrible, just that you get unlucky with when you play.

I could post my win rate for the week but it'd be redundant. Even still, it just goes to show the dynamic of PvP and how people can experience things differently.

As much as we shit all over Adders in this thread (because for the most part the mass majority of them are terrible), I'm sure there are a few Adders who come out with decent win ratios. I just never see them.

[Synestra]

They've fallen from grace in Slaughter really hard and now I barely ever see them win.

I guess its because slaughter is just a TDM w/o any stategy(BLM lvl50 PvE AoE rotation on middle node says hi, it will always yeld atleast one kill), now we are back to tactial mode and you start to see the downhill due that.

[Februs]

They take too long to react. Last 24 man match I had, we retreated to late, ganked at the wrong times, leaving Adders and Mael to ambush us

I can at least relate to this. It's not that I've never seen this kind of bad play before. I do, and more frequently than I'd like (my winning % would be back above 40 by now if it weren't for such nonsense), but I don't take the few occasions of this kind of silliness as the standard of play.I've had just as many matches in which the Flames were on point and made good calls as I have where they've ran around like ducks in a shooting yard. Even if they are a little slow responding to changes (which they frequently are) that's no excuse to just give up. What people don't understand is that all of the GC's have the potential to be gun shy (unless using 3rd party chat), so if Flames were a bit slow on the uptake there will be a chance to make it up later. The only time that chance will slip us by is if we just flip table and give up.

The bottom line for me is that negativity (especially in chat) fuels the cycle of bad play. Every single match I've been in where there was seemingly no chance for the Flames to shine and show that they're not total dunces were matches where the players themselves gave up because they automatically assumed that the "Flames suck" and were gonna lose anyway. That's nonsense and turns into a self-fulfilling prophecy. If everyone in the chat is constantly saying crap like "gg," "Flames suck," "We're gonna lose anyway," or (my personal favorite) "we should just feed kills to get the match over with faster," than obviously you're going to lose. That many negative voices even encourage the good players to give up because they are basically being told outright that their entire team doesn't have their back. That's why, instead of filling the chat box with complaints (even if things are going badly), I find it's a much better option to encourage people not to give up or assume the worst. It doesn't work every time (It seems there are some people out there that just want to be negative and lose, for whatever reason), but the results are much better than adding to the negativity. Even if you lose, it's not such a sour loss.

Btw, theres a wolves den event at 8pm apparently for synched battles. They needs people to participate :/

I know, but I'm in a different time zone and missed it =/ It will be pretty much over already before I even get home. Makes me sad.

[Februs]

I thought it was night time at first which was the Flame's glory hour but I lost a lot then, though apparently that has changed this time around. I'll just have to see now. :/

I do find that time of day makes a difference (both for ques and for victory rate). My schedule is fairly strict, so I only play at night. It's gone in cycles, but for the most part my evening matches have gone substantially better than my day matches. Keep in mind though, that my "evening" is most likely the very early morning for you (like, anywhere between 1am - 3am). Different time bracket means a different pool of players. I typically see a lot of the same faces day to day (even though I'm never in a pre-made), and that tends to maintain a certain status quo. I can more or less expect matches to go a certain way. However, when I do get an entire team of people who are unfamiliar, things get shaken up quite a bit. Maybe the same kind of thing accounts for your discrepancy.

[Dimitrii]

During the day when the bad players are on? So what you play at night? Ok, so your telling me if that I play in the evening everday I should have a better win ratio than:

If you do play mostly at night your first place finishes should increase yeah. I play at around 9 pm to 2 am (eastern) and if we don't win as Maelstrom its almost always cause Flames won. Atm as a Maelstrom I'm 15-8-7 for the week so roughly a 50% 1st place win rate atm, which is good considering they are ALL solo queues, but far from being omnipotent as a GC. Clearly some of the other GCs are winning with some sort of consistency if my rate isnt higher and I can tell you it aint the adders >.>

[Recaldy]

Pretty much this but Adders on Primal. We have our nice hard fought wins when people listen. Premades also carry randomly but nothing big lately unfortunately. SE should remove the Eso from the fights so the bad teams will lose their bad players.