immortal flames unplayable

[ess-vid]

And there it is, the inevitable "naw man it ain't me" response. You're complaining about bad matches, your "proof" that you're helping is having a high k/d ratio and negligible node tags on a class that is a high priority target for oppenents and should be focused on capture and defense, and you're blaming this on some vague claim of collusion. I get the sense that you're confusing attack and defense with chasing and you're one of the people leading small units off to farm stragglers of a failed push, rather than disengaging and falling back to the node to secure defense or prep for a push of our own. Your own numbers tell the lie: as a WAR your kill rate should be lower (since you should be close to the node and making people think twice about rushing through), your death rate should be higher (since, as mentioned prior, you're a high priority target, and you should be at the forefront of most pushes), and your occupied should be much higher (as your key utility is to rush in headlong, break enemy defense, take the node yourself and say MINE to anyone that disagrees). Not sure what you think a video will show otherwise, unless you intend to show us a montage of you with a hand up to a node with the word "interrupted" flashing on screen over and over.

[Guesswhat]

...your death rate should be higher...

That depends doesn't it? If the team really is that bad, why sacrifice oneself for "teamwork" when there is none? You notice very quickly in a match if teamwork is feasible at all. Adders on Chaos are so bad now, the opposing team usually ends up with several battle fever (warriors more often than not). I bet they even don't need to cap nodes, they could purely win by eating snakes for dinner.

Talking meta I agree with you.

[Beckett]

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What data center are you on? I've been complaining about queue times on Aether and only getting 24-man queues, but one thing I absolutely can't complain about is win-rate. Aether Immortal Flames have always been good, but since 3.1 we've been winning virtually every match.

[TheWaywardWind]

Aether Immortal Flames have always been good, but since 3.1 we've been winning virtually every match.

Primal Immortal Flames. The Immortal Flames on Primal are a much different story on Primal than they are on Aether.

I understand both sides of the coin here. There are times where I just cannot for the life of me understand what the hell the Flames are doing. Some people are just so mind-bogglingly stupid. Several instances such as:

Why are you chasing that lone Astrologian across the map when there's an S rank behind us? Are you seriously getting baited that hard?
Why are you guys all over the place? We can easily take this node in front of us if you'd round up.
Why are we attacking the Adders if Mael has three nodes? This makes virtually no sense.
Why is nobody listening to calls? You guys just cost us 40 points because you haphazardly charged at a node while everyone else was making the correct move.

The Flames tend to have more players who care only about themselves/their tomes, and couldn't care less about the GC/team, so it results in more separatists attitudes.
There's a huge difference between when we rally together and when we don't. If people start off the match shitting on themselves and the Flames, then halfway through people give up because "lolItoldyouso" despite the fact we can still easily win if people just pay attention. There's too much defeatism. It's why nowadays I try to rouse people up with pride for the Flames because I've noticed we actually tend to do better/win more if more people are feeling prideful of the Flames.

I can't get mad for other's venting the frustration that is playing with the Immortal Flames on Primal; what I can get annoyed with is when people deem us "unplayable" simply because it appears that their own objectives don't coincide with what we need to do to win.

I posted my win rate in this thread earlier for a reason; the Flames aren't bad, they're about average, sometimes better than average on Primal. Are they amazing and spectacular? Not quite.

However, they could be if more people cared about winning and less about the esoterics and kills. If people got their shit together I'm pretty sure we could match our strength on Aether; but we aren't there yet. Yet.

[Guesswhat]

Are flames on your datacenter anything like this:

[Dotsusama]

According to rankings for this week, Immortal Flames has more players in the top 100 than Twin Adders, at least, and when I found you on the Immortal Flames page by Victories and it has you at 26%.

If you want people to be organized, why not start it off? Put a PF up whenever you're getting started for the night, try to make some connections, put an LS together for people that show up if they want, and after a while you'll start becoming familiar with those players in your GC and maybe your luck and strategies will improve. The LS for Maelstrom on Excal is maxed out but only ~40 people are on whenever I am, and that's not even everyone doing PVP 100% of the time, BUT it does help.

[reefer69]

lately flames have been playing way better than previous months. so i understand where your coming from and your frustration.. but weekly based matches tend to go good to bad to horrible some times ,its just how pvp goes. As some have shown in this thread a few ppl do quiet well in pvp with flames while the majority suffer lol. no lie flames were up until prob 2 months ago one of the worse gc for pvp and there are many matches where u can see y.
been on adders and mael i can say there is no current agreement just diff play styles, mael will attk while in lead and make themselves more open to grab a node... adders will play safe and wait till its to late to attk most times... and flames jsut look a hot mess most times until they catch themselves and do what mael does...loaf..

[Carstien]

Why has nobody pointed out that 4 of the 7 initial shots he took were flame wins?

If that's a 95% loss rate then I must be terrible at math.

[Februs]

Why has nobody pointed out that 4 of the 7 initial shots he took were flame wins?

If that's a 95% loss rate then I must be terrible at math.

Not gonna lie, I was giving the OP the benefit of the doubt and didn't actually look past the first 2 or 3 screenshots.... Now I'm starting to wonder if this is just another "troll the Flames" hate thread. Wouldn't be the first one.

[Chaelyn]

Not sure if you're trolling about Flames losing all the time. Every game I've played, like Knives said, where Maelstrom didn't win, Flames won. I'm in almost all of those games with Knives. This past week was my worst week ever with Mael. It was the first week I had less than a 50% win rate. I have a friend on Flames that's been doing perfectly fine so Idk what the issue is.

The past couple of games I've played with Maelstrom we've been constantly getting double teamed and Adders defend a B rank when they have 2 B's and an A just so we don't get a damn node. It's really aggravating. All this minus the fact that a bunch of Maelstrom players have insane tunnel vision and like to farm 3rd place team for whatever reason just so they can show off their damage or whatever.