Absolute frustration at not being able to see my own DPS (ps4)

[Critical-Limit]

no one should be made to feel uncomfortable or embarassed.

No one can make you uncomfortable or embarrassed. They can "try" which they shouldn't. But your personal character is what makes you feel those things. Why do people feel embarrassed? Because they held themselves In high self esteem and are afraid of what others *might* think of them when a mistake is shown.

A Proper mentality to ensure your own happiness is to look at it like a leaning experience. If you're more new to something than others, you can shrug off any ill-insults because you're learning. Nobody magically becomes skillful at things it takes practice. If you're being "called out" you should instead of worrying about your image. You should see it as "yes a chance to learn maybe this person can tell me a perspective I didnt see or a option I didn't know existed.


If you have this mentality you are invincible to being embarrassed.

[Kazumac]

I really hope anti-parser people respond to this point.

You know they can't. They are just the people who can't take charge of their own well being in a social situation. They expect others to conform to their own arbitrary standards of acceptable communication. Which they can even control that experience via blacklist, removing group members or leaving groups that are not to their taste. And for all things that truly violate non arbitrary policy (i.e. SE's official policies), GMs are available and responsive in my experience. The fact that they don't or refuse to use those tools is to their detriment.

It's a sad state of affairs really...

[Kazumac]

Thanks for the almost 40 pages of ...whatever this was

This has mostly been entertainment, snide remarks and overly defensive responses. My popcorn was tasty though

[melisande]

Originally posted by Zosia - The JP think we are a joke because they use tools like parsers and a black list site for bad players and that get's contrasted against players like you who want this game to be some SJW non-hurt feelings safe space. It's cool though, I have my cake and get to eat it too. It's the PS3/PS4 players who are effected by this and you have no sympathy for them, you rather keep those players down for some absurd reason. How very selfish of you.

Dude, did you know in 2.x there was end game as well that wasn't Alexander savage? I cleared all of T1- 13 (pre nerf) without the use of a third party program just fine. Just because i haven't beat the current end game savage (no desire) makes me an 'uninformed' player is absolute nonsense. I have played this game since the beginning of 1.0, i have probably seen and done more endgame content than you have, but that would just be a baseless assumption like yours.
I don't ignore the point that to *some* people parsers can help tighten up their rotation.
In *my* experience, a parser has not ever helped me tighten up my rotation regarding end game content, and anything i "tightened up" in end game was straight up my own intuition (when is best time to pop CD's, maximize damage output during x phase, y phase, z phase.)
Where in my post did i ever talk about "non hurt feelings''?
You couldn't tell me - because i never did.
The argument that you can not improve your DPS without the use of a 3rd party program is actually silly, and you can honestly tighten any rotation just by simply playing the game more.

[Sardonia]

You know they can't. They are just the people who can't take charge of their own well being in a social situation. They expect others to conform to their own arbitrary standards of acceptable communication. Which they can even control that experience via blacklist, removing group members or leaving groups that are not to their taste. And for all things that truly violate non arbitrary policy (i.e. SE's official policies), GMs are available and responsive in my experience. The fact that they don't or refuse to use those tools is to their detriment.

It's a sad state of affairs really...

So you would be ok if we had an official parser but SE kept their current policy that you cannot talk or kick people for DPS reasons.? That is exactly what he mentioned by SE keeping their current policy if a official parser was given. If that is the case great all for it but you and I both know that is not what a lot of people want the parser for.

[Kazumac]

So you would be ok if we had an official parser but SE kept their current policy that you cannot talk or kick people for DPS reasons.? That is exactly what he mentioned by SE keeping their current policy if a official parser was given. If that is the case great all for it but you and I both know that is not what a lot of people want the parser for.

I directly responded to the first time you asked this question. Post #102 in this thread to be exact. It is unnecessarily limiting and prohibitive of helping others resulting in an undesirable outcome by a well intentioned policy. But I'd suggest going back and reread the responses to the first time you asked this question.

[zosia]

Dude, did you know in 2.x there was end game as well that wasn't savage? I cleared all of T1- 13 (pre nerf) without the use of a third party program just fine. Just because i haven't beat the current end game savage (no desire) makes me an 'uninformed' player is absolute nonsense. I have played this game since the beginning of 1.0, i have probably seen and done more endgame content than you have, but that would just be a baseless assumption like yours.
I don't ignore the point that to *some* people parsers can help tighten up their rotation.In *my* experience, a parser has not ever helped me tighten up my rotation regarding end game content, and anything i "tightened up" in end game was straight up my own intuition (when is best time to pop CD's, maximize damage output during x phase, y phase, z phase.)
Where in my post did i ever talk about "non hurt feelings''?
You couldn't tell me - because i never did.
The argument that you can not improve your DPS without the use of a 3rd party program is actually silly, and you can honestly tighten any rotation just by simply playing the game more.

I really don't give a flying F what you did in 2.0. You have dreadwyrm gear so I already assumed you have coil experience, but coil was an easy raid in contrast to alex savage. You might as well tell me you cleared ifrit HM and that makes you an expert on end game content. Savage is a different creature than coils and it REQUIRES a parser when your group's first a4s clear, no matter which group you are, requires all eight people to squeeze out every last drop of dps possible. That first clear will come down to fractions of a percent. If you don't do alex savage, you are speaking from a perspective that does not have experience in the current end game meta. I bolded the part of your rebuttal that PROVES you are speaking from ignorance. Go get your feet wet in a3s and a4s and come and tell me that this game does not need parsers. I don't have problems with anyone having opinions on parsers, but your opinion is just terrible since you have no current raid experiences to back up your claims. Your advice of "just go in and practice, you will get good eventually" is some of the most ridiculous raid advice I have ever seen.

So, if you don't care about hurt feelins, why are you against an official in-game parser?

PS4 players who raid savage alex don't have the same tool kit as PC players. Simple as that. Any retort against that is just propping up a second class system for console players.

Also, this whole "I don't need a parser to improve my gameplay" is just a terrible attitude. If you're really a skilled high end player, you would understand the purpose of a parser. You might be fine playing at 85% of your class potential, but I am not fine with settling on my performance. I rather use a parser to play at a higher level than convince myself that I am some *talented* player riding on my achievements from an easier raid that is an expansion old now. You either use a parser and improve the minutia of your rotation (see monks using fracture), do the math by hand (doubt it), or just make assumptions and hope that your rotation is performing at 100% of it's potential (which it is not if you are making such assumptions).\

So you would be ok if we had an official parser but SE kept their current policy that you cannot talk or kick people for DPS reasons.? That is exactly what he mentioned by SE keeping their current policy if a official parser was given. If that is the case great all for it but you and I both know that is not what a lot of people want the parser for.

There is no policy against kicking a player for poor dps, you just can't harass them over it.

People are allowed to run their groups how ever they wish as long as they are not harassing people or being vitriolic. Rejection from a group =/= harassment.

I am fine with there being an official parser and people being punished for harrassing players over their dps. That would include rude comments, public name shaming, and any other behavior you could be banned for now.

[Ranzan]

The topic derailed and turned for the worst... I would like a personal or toggles blessed parser too. But neither side is willing to compromise as always.

[Kaurie]

How did people play preWoW mmo like Everquest, Ultima? How did jp players play ff11 from 2002-2003, because ff11 was a ps2 only game?

If parsing is needed to learn (based on replies) how did those players learn?

Essentially, the answer to your question lies in how every tool in the world works. For example, houses were built for people before we had electricity and power tools; however, not using power tools when building a house now is silly. If I walked up to them, took away their power tool and told them 'How did people build houses 500 years ago if a power tool is necessary?", then I could expect some serious backlash.

SE/CM can't comment due to the ToS.

That doesn't make any sense. The ToS doesn't say anything in regards to allowing SE/CM from talking to us.

[melisande]

I really don't give a flying F what you did in 2.0. You have dreadwyrm gear so I already assumed you have coil experience, but coil was an easy raid in contrast to alex savage. Savage is a different creature than coils and it REQUIRES a parser when your group's first a4s clear, no matter which group you are, requires all eight people to squeeze out every last drop of dps possible. That first clear will come down to fractions of a percent. If you don't do alex savage, you are speaking from a perspective that does not have experience in the current end game meta. Your advice of "just go in and practice, you will get good eventually" is some of the most ridiculous raid advice I have ever seen.

So, if you don't care about hurt feelins, why are you against an official in-game parser?

Also, this whole "I don't need a parser to improve my gameplay" is just a terrible attitude. If you're really a skilled high end player, you would understand the purpose of a parser

The Epeen is strong in this one! You say that "Alexander savage requires parser."
Oh so Alexander Savage is not working as intended then? The devs forgot to add a parser for alexander savage, because i mean, its required right? So dang, i guess they better just re do all of that and add a parser because its apparently "required".
LOL. Thanks for this laughs this afternoon.
"If you're a really skilled high end player you would understand the purpose of a parser" - well if you read my previous posts, i DO understand the purpose of a parser. I stated, i can see how for some people it is a tool that will help them improve upon their rotation. This just wasn't that case for me, so i can't relate, and you're going to have to accept the fact that their are always people who will disagree with you, (and me!).