Absolute frustration at not being able to see my own DPS (ps4)

[Critical-Limit]

why should PS4 players remain unable to see their real time damge output for training purposes?

I guess you need to go back and read for real because all the stuff you complained people are talking about is their reasoning.

They say ps4 can't see because to allow them to see means SE had to put it in themselves. If they do that then using numbers is allowed in discussion. They claim that their feelings will hurt more if people can use numbers to criticize them.

That's why you see so many bad dPS and feeling posts.

[Aquaslash]

I guess you need to go back and read for real because all the stuff you complained people are talking about is their reasoning.

They say ps4 can't see because to allow them to see means SE had to put it in themselves. If they do that then using numbers is allowed in discussion. They claim that their feelings will hurt more if people can use numbers to criticize them.

That's why you see so many bad dPS and feeling posts.

So ultimately, what you're saying is that struggling yet willing PS4 players can't use an official tool for improvement because bad players want to stay bad and be free of judgement?

No wonder the JP servers laugh at us...

[Ryel]

So ultimately, what you're saying is that struggling yet willing PS4 players can't use an official tool for improvement because bad players want to stay bad and be free of judgement?

No wonder the JP servers laugh at us...

The real irony is every time the JP community is brought up as being more friendly etc when it comes to teaching / parsing and such people tend to overlook the fact that the JP community also happens to have a website that acts as a public blacklist for bad players.

EDIT: To stay on topic however, a little knowledge goes a long way. Even if you feel that the playerbase doesn't NEED a parser it's still a benefit to have proper feedback and tangible info to allow players to make informed decisions and changes when it comes to fight mechanics and gearing.

I posted a point earlier from a reddit thread that was never really followed up on.

For some players, being able to see and read the numbers might actually make acquiring gear and levels more interesting especially since ilvl increases in gear usually don't provide large visible results (unless you're a tank looking at your HP).

A player getting a new Esoterics, Void Ark, or Diadem piece might feel better if they could instantly go to a striking dummy or into content like a raid or a primal and go "WOW my average DPS has gone up by X amount" and really get that feeling of character progression since the stat distribution in this game is arguably a little on the weak side (no unique stats).

PC players currently have this luxury via 3rd party means, they can sit there and mess around with BiS and test for things like accuracy in a live environment, console players however are at a distinct disadvantage.

[Critical-Limit]

So ultimately, what you're saying is that struggling yet willing PS4 players can't use an official tool for improvement because bad players want to stay bad and be free of judgement?

No wonder the JP servers laugh at us...

Yes that's basically the tldr version of the arguments.

[Mycow8me]

Oh camon, see this is the reason you kids wont get what your wanting. "cause bad players want to stay bad and free of judgement?"

You guys really sell your stance and increase your odds with lines like that. What is this politics? Demoralize the enemy in hopes of winning and getting what you want.

Who knows what the rest of the community thinks and how often do you actually run into a bad player on a fight that really just wanted to stay bad "because of parsers". This thread is living proof of some of the festering hate. Ultimately the reason PS4 users cant use an official tool for improvement is because its not in the game "yet". If your talking about parsers though, thats obviously another story.

[melisande]

So ultimately, what you're saying is that struggling yet willing PS4 players can't use an official tool for improvement because bad players want to stay bad and be free of judgement?

No wonder the JP servers laugh at us...

^ Haha! No seriously, no wonder the JP servers laugh at us, is because of people like you, and this hilarious thread whining about how you cant improve your deeps without the use of 3rd party tool, is quite funny.

[Critical-Limit]

Oh camon.

"Kids" resulting in name calling now eh? Don't worry I won't try to stop your freedom of speech for offending people. Things get heated in discussions where someone doesn't feel like they're getting equal treatment. Do you blame black people for being upset as to why they can't get equal treatment in US justice system? Ps4 is not getting equal treatment

How about you attack the arguments. This is a weak attempt to further say "help I'm a victim" instead of the meat of the argument.

It literally makes no sense why someone doesn't want parsers unless it's to protect egos.

[Mycow8me]

"Kids".

I work with what you give me. I've already attacked the meat of the argument which you would have noticed actually contained a legit reason as to why someone doesnt want paerser's unless "its toggleable" not to protect egos.

[Ryel]

I work with what you give me. I've already attacked the meat of the argument which you would have noticed actually contained a legit reason as to why someone doesnt want paerser's unless "its toggleable" not to protect egos.

You say that but it was already brought up and answered as to why a "toggle-able" or personal parser wouldn't really work.

The long post is a few pages back but the short of it is that giving players the option to essentially "hide" or not show their results to the rest of the group instantly causes frustrations in the event of a wipe due to a failed DPS check when the party basically has to witch hunt through it's members to verify numbers.

Players who may not have been hostile before are likely to quickly turn as such when they have to spend 10 minutes filtering and debating through party members to find out which DPS class was only doing 1/3rd of the damage they should be. The result is that players would wrongly say "See this is why we shouldn't have a parser!" etc when the issue would entirely be the situations that arise from not having free and open access to the information and while yes you would be able to report players like you can now, it's more likely to lead to antagonizing situations than the alternative of just having a public parser.

Players already complain when people sneak into "farm" parties or the 100 Eso or w/e message shows up and they have to stop the run for 10 minutes to figure out who joined the party without a clear, amplify that x1000 when the party wipes to a hard enrage @10% because they're short on DPS and are unable to isolate and fix the issue.

It's why an Opt-in, personal, or personal toggle-able parser which sounds like a more acceptable compromise on paper would actually end up as the option more likely to lead to cases of player harassment.

All that being said I'm not personally against the addition of one, I'm merely pointing out that it isn't the great compromise everyone seems to think it is when they bring it up.

[Mycow8me]

I wasn't talking about toggling others from seeing mine, they already can regardless of whether or not I want them too. That's not going to change, as been stated in the thread. I was talking in regards to the OP wanting something on screen in the form of a parser or an average DPS display on screen for people who are trying to improve. A feature like that, I would want toggleable.

Wanting a Parser for improvement and wanting a parser for finding the weakest link in a party are two different subjects. It seems the latter is what the majority of people seem to care about though whenever parsers come up in a convo. The OP actually just cares about improving which is ironic.