@SE: When are you reviving Secure 72 man secure?

[Sanghelios]

It's just 4 vs 4. It really shows how much the playerbase generally cares about PvP.

You have to concern here that you dont only just need 8 players for a wolfs den match. Actually the chance that you can get 2 tanks, 2 heals, 2 range and 2 melees out of a already extremely small player pool who queues at the same time is already really low (Especially the healer part). Then you have to concern that the wolfs den system sorts groups by their ranks, and in case your group is ready, but 10 ranks at average higher than the other team (wich is also ready), then the system says nonono cant do that. On top of that, language settings also doing their job here to make the player pool smaller. So you probably need already 20-30 players in queue to get a single 4vs4 match to pop (in an appropriate amount of time).

[Guesswhat]

You have to concern here that you dont only just need 8 players for a wolfs den match. Actually the chance that you can get 2 tanks, 2 heals, 2 range and 2 melees out of a already extremely small player pool who queues at the same time is already really low (Especially the healer part). Then you have to concern that the wolfs den system sorts groups by their ranks, and in case your group is ready, but 10 ranks at average higher than the other team (wich is also ready), then the system says nonono cant do that. On top of that, language settings also doing their job here to make the player pool smaller. So you probably need already 20-30 players in queue to get a single 4vs4 match to pop (in an appropriate amount of time).

Exactly, you need a whooping number of 30+ players to queue at the relative same time. omg O_o !! Does that not show the general lack of interest in PvP in this game? I know of all the restrictions on wolves den...

[TheWaywardWind]

Exactly, you need a whooping number of 30+ players to queue at the relative same time. omg O_o !! Does that not show the general lack of interest in PvP in this game? I know of all the restrictions on wolves den...

I feel like it's also in part that Frontlines are generally more accessible to the casual PvPer than the intensity of WD.

WD has specific set-ups and strategies that make it more for hardcore PvPers whereas Frontlines is a lot more casual because it involves so many people, and singular actions do not mean as much in the grand scheme of things, which takes a lot of the pressure off.

But in a 4v4 match? Yeah, a lot of people probably get dissuaded from trying it out.

[Sanghelios]

Exactly, you need a whooping number of 30+ players to queue at the relative same time. omg O_o !! Does that not show the general lack of interest in PvP in this game? I know of all the restrictions on wolves den...

You cant say there is a lack of interest in pvp actually only because nobody is doing Wolfs Den. People arent playing Wolfs Den because lack of interest, they are not playing it because they hitting to many walls (Set Classes, Language options, Rank restrictions, Plenty different Wolfs Den game modes, afk withdraws) in order to get in at all. I know plenty of people wich would like to play Wolfs Den, but because of those walls they can expect queues around 1-2 hours or even longer and they dont want to waste that much time only for a fight wich doesnt last longer than a few minutes. Interest is there, but Square needs to flatten their walls to let people in.