@SE: When are you reviving Secure 72 man secure?

[Dotsusama]

Which is exactly what I stated that in the OP; it's not a perfect solution and unless Square purposely devotes more time and resources into it, PvP will never truly be fixed, but at least this would allow other players to enjoy each of the 72 man modes a week. Don't like Seize? Slaughter 72 man next week. Don't like that? Secure follows the next week. So on and so forth.

I don't really see a problem with this solution, honestly.

The problem is that if one mode is inherently more popular with players than another, except those who end up in there because of the Roulette, you're only going to see those players queue up during those time periods -- if they are able to play at all during that specific week. I'd hate to miss any sort of bonus on a particular game mode just because of a holiday, or the internet drops, or I have finals, or I'm on vacation...

[Iagainsti]

I concur, please update at least 72 man secure to lvl 60

[TheWaywardWind]

I'd hate to miss any sort of bonus on a particular game mode just because of a holiday, or the internet drops, or I have finals, or I'm on vacation...

We aren't talking a bonus of something that wouldn't normally be obtainable otherwise -- I'm talking a few extra esos or wolf marks - not something that you would never be able to obtain again. Even if you were gone, you'd still be able to obtain those by means, and if not, you weren't going to obtain them anyway, so it should make no difference to you.

Besides, "I'm not going to be online, so nobody else should have it," isn't exactly a fair argument in itself.

Other than that, that's not inherently true - there's nothing saying that some people just flat out won't PvP for a few weeks because they don't like a specific roulette.

[EdgyLatinName]

Or slaughter?

Are these nodes EVER going to see the light of day again, or are they beyond dead to you? I haven't played a 72 man of either in an incredibly long time.

Can't you have a weekly spotlight for each node? Can't you tell us ANYTHING regarding PvP, please? You guys are always so quiet and leave us in the dark far too long.

Preach it brother.

[Dotsusama]

Besides, "I'm not going to be online, so nobody else should have it," isn't exactly a fair argument in itself.

Other than that, that's not inherently true - there's nothing saying that some people just flat out won't PvP for a few weeks because they don't like a specific roulette.

I wasn't saying that; I'm just saying I would miss out, and would probably come to resent the bonus if I did miss out. I'm also trying to say it wouldn't be enough of a motivator to get people to actually play that mode at all. They would just stick with what they like.

On the flip side, there is some resentment that PVP gives PVE rewards at all -- such as Esoterics. How many times have we been in a match and criticized a player for not contributing, only to get something back like "only here for the esos lol"? I don't think having people who are only in for the bonuses would make it very fun.

[TheWaywardWind]

Snip.

That's a shame for you, but still not enough of a reason to not include it.

Examine why most of the people PvP for the reasons they do; a lot of it is for the Esoterics and PvP EXP for leveling their ranks, so providing an increase in that amount would serve to make people want to different modes, yes. Many hardcore PvPers would enjoy the rotation through the modes rather than just the same one for months at a time. It would be more than enough of a motivator.

The last point is mute, because it's been going on ever since the Roulette has been added to begin with. Those players will exist regardless of whether or not the bonus is still there, so we might as well take advantage of that fact and use that to our advantage. If you're going to criticize a rotation or bonus because of eso farmers, then the Roulette should be abolished as well, but we would never do that, because the Roulette breathes life into PvP. You take the good with the bad.

[Februs]

I concur, please update at least 72 man secure to lvl 60

This alone would do wonders. We already have a broken Roulette that only ques us for 1 of 3 possible game modes (and takes way too long to do it). Might as well boost the item level of these two modes and give us more variety. Most people don't start to PvP until they get to end-game anyway, since before that they're focused on leveling up, questing, and doing dungeons.

[Iagainsti]

This alone would do wonders. We already have a broken Roulette that only ques us for 1 of 3 possible game modes (and takes way too long to do it). Might as well boost the item level of these two modes and give us more variety. Most people don't start to PvP until they get to end-game anyway, since before that they're focused on leveling up, questing, and doing dungeons.

Exactly, no one at lvl 50-59 is queueing for frontlines with all the other roulette choices, but I'm sure a lot of us would prefer a 72 Man secure match change up from 72 man Seize.

[Sanghelios]

It's just 4 vs 4. It really shows how much the playerbase generally cares about PvP.

You have to concern here that you dont only just need 8 players for a wolfs den match. Actually the chance that you can get 2 tanks, 2 heals, 2 range and 2 melees out of a already extremely small player pool who queues at the same time is already really low (Especially the healer part). Then you have to concern that the wolfs den system sorts groups by their ranks, and in case your group is ready, but 10 ranks at average higher than the other team (wich is also ready), then the system says nonono cant do that. On top of that, language settings also doing their job here to make the player pool smaller. So you probably need already 20-30 players in queue to get a single 4vs4 match to pop (in an appropriate amount of time).

[Guesswhat]

You have to concern here that you dont only just need 8 players for a wolfs den match. Actually the chance that you can get 2 tanks, 2 heals, 2 range and 2 melees out of a already extremely small player pool who queues at the same time is already really low (Especially the healer part). Then you have to concern that the wolfs den system sorts groups by their ranks, and in case your group is ready, but 10 ranks at average higher than the other team (wich is also ready), then the system says nonono cant do that. On top of that, language settings also doing their job here to make the player pool smaller. So you probably need already 20-30 players in queue to get a single 4vs4 match to pop (in an appropriate amount of time).

Exactly, you need a whooping number of 30+ players to queue at the relative same time. omg O_o !! Does that not show the general lack of interest in PvP in this game? I know of all the restrictions on wolves den...