Absolute frustration at not being able to see my own DPS (ps4)

[Rawrz]

I used the 3rd boss in Void Ark because that boss is like a sponge... literally. You just hit him and stuff. Do idols, you can barely damage him, destroy idols, hit him, adds come out, cant hurt him because of stoneskin, kill adds, hit him, fight over. There is no excuse for for a ilvl205 MNK to be in 6th place without death on the boss. Sure like others have said, it's not always accurate but neither are parsers. But I never see people use Quelling Strikes or that other stuff. Pets? Their damage would increase the bar a bit if it were included but not by that much

A1/A1S is another example I should use then.. BLM(No quelling strikes used) is in 7th place on Faust. They suck.

If I can beat a ilvl204 DRG or ilvl208 MCH as an ilvl187 MCH(true story), they 're doing something wrong..

Healer DPS does not compete with real DPS even at 50% effeciency, yet in most cases a healer can out aggro a DPS, Dpsing themselves. Aggro acts differently upon healer skills than normal. The Aggro meter is terribly inconsistent tool to use as measurement.


"Naah my dps is fine, Its just low cuz I Elusive Jumped."

[Kazumac]

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Fearing harassment paralyzing our ability to have nice things is a problem. Real harassment as defined by our game's policies (not some arbitrary opinion) will be handled by GMs. It seems most people are afraid of others being less nice or tactful with criticisms (to the point of being kicked) as you point out. To that end, the suggestion of grow a thicker skin. Or that to learning how to deal with others who don't act in accordance with their own standards of communication, is a valuable skill and an appropriate response. While many may feel direct or non tactful criticism is harassment, it is not at least based on those grounds alone.

Honestly I understand your point but I just don't agree that some people's fears and difficulty handling certain social situations is a good reason to deny us a useful enhancement to the game. I think we probably just disagree here. The constructive discussion is really about where we should deny information. Such as allow personal parsers all the time and group parsers for content with relevant dps checks (ex primals, savage raids). Or where personal parsers are always available and that you can opt in on group parsers (like loot master or under sized settings). This keeps it out of DF and available to those groups who want to use it.

[ShanaShirayuki]

was dismissing the possibility for abuse

No one here said parser related abuse never happens, they always admit that it does happen but not in the volume that you make it out to be. In fact if you just paid attention to a linked reddit thread that proves that it happens regardless, people may respect your opinion more. Alas, you conveniently ignored it as you do in every other parser-related thread.

[Archaell]

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Kosmos, the harassment feared in the parser threads is not a real issue. That's the problem.

If somebody brings a real case of harassment and people involved in it, then we can try to find a solution. Talking about what if... No. That's not going to lead anywhere.

But! We could talk about what can each individual do on their own to prevent or stop harassment related to the performance.

The first anwer is - Git gud. I am not joking. If somebody fears that their performance is not good enough, then the answer is to practice and improve.

If somebody gets harassed in your group of randoms what can you do? You can tell them to buzz off or you can vote kick them. It is totally possible to take the side of the less skilled players who were forcing you to wipe again and again.

It is also possible to create anti-harassment linkshells to help other players with their problems.

That's what we can do. We can't stop harassment from happening, we can only deal with it.

[Ranzan]

The op wanted a personal parser but people are against that? They should have a personal parser to gauge your own dps anyway. Public parser not so much.

[Shug]

Personal parser is a good idea. But the argument over public parsers hurting peoples feeings? Parsers should not be used in dungeons or story primals, but where I see most people complaining about them are in raids or ex primals, where you have to have a pre-formed party to get into in the first place, and I mean a real raid like AS, not Void Ark. If they can do lootmaster why can't they have the party leader have the parser and he or she tells everyone how they are doing? Only in said raids or non DF content of course.

[SooChe]

A group parser should be needed. How are we gonna compare ourselves with the rest then, if we can only see our own numbers.

[Zeonx]

I hate parser's

Comments after they kick you even if you beat the bosses and nobody dies.

"My DPS was more than yours" "Don't let me see Me out DPS you again" "I am the best I out DPS everyone" "I out DPS you guys and i am a tank"

Get over yourselves your ego is bigger than the zits on your faces they need to be popped, for those who say they use it legit good for you, this isn't about you if you are using it for right reasons then don't defend those types of people.

Cause its not gonna make me see it any other way.

I'll say goodbye to FFXIV for a while if parser's happen instead of people depending on themselves you got them depending on a program, I got no time to see complaining from the group at me or anyone else I just want to play once that happens I just don't wanna group with people like that.

I know I have a hide function for chat but still I shouldn't have to because people wanna fight about how much damage they were doing.

[Azazua_azura]

If somebody brings a real case of harassment and people involved in it, then we can try to find a solution. Talking about what if... No. That's not going to lead anywhere.

But! We could talk about what can each individual do on their own to prevent or stop harassment related to the performance.

The first anwer is - Git gud. I am not joking.

I have actually brought up a case of harrassment so you can't really say that.

This is what happen:

I was a lvl 28 pgl in haukke manor, the other dps was a lvl 32 mnk. The tank kept pulling to odd locations but i did my best to do my positionals, I was shacky because I'm not used to playing pgl monk like that due to the difference between 2.0 and 1.0 versions. I'm leveling it to get mantra, just fyi. Anyway the mnk would constently switch targets to make sure he was attacking the mob first, we did the dungeon fairly quickly and only death was mine on the main boss only because people was ignoring the lamps and adds and healer wasn't curing me. they beat it and i warped and ran back, the mnk said before leaving " Azazura, you suck dps," then left.'

Another case happen while on a dif character where i was vote kicked over not using dots as a smn on 1 set of mobs before the second boss in neverreap, feel free to hate me for this but due to coordination issues I use macros on a few jobs so its easier for me to do certain stuff. Mostly Dots + bane stuff like that. Only reason i didn't do dots on that set of mobs was due to not wanting to waste dreadwym stance and deathflare. the healer spent the dungeon spaming "caster dots" even though I was doing my dots.


I have also seen cases of players going ham, causing wipes because the group couldn't handle how much that 1 person was outputing. And that 1 person blames the group for sucking. One case being when i tried out garuda extreme. I loaded up and told the group i was new, they told me to off tank, and i said I may be better as a main tank because I didn't off tank hard mode, but i said I'd try. when the adds pop the group help me out by marking where I had to go. I tried to pull the first add and this bard who out geared me was going ham on it taking hate right off the bat causing us to wipe. I apologised, then asked the bard (nicely) to give me a sec to do my role before going ham. He gave me a snarky reply and just kept doing it, causing us to wipe a few times. The group was giving me tips and i did my best to follow them, but still bard pulls hate adds go berserk bard throws a fit blaming me. Even though he was the one causing wipes.

I have also saw cases in ff11 over windowers Parser program became a thing. Even in leveling parties became nasty to each other over dps. More so in abyssea generation with the "gear swap or bust" going as far as claiming gear swaping was a thing since launch (it wasn't)

Personally speaking I have seen this debate since Launch of WoW and the increase in MMO popularity, and people try to back up their side (mostly pro parser) with the same rehashed arguments and excuses blaming the game content being "too hardcore" saying its needed/required and reashing the same argument that if you disagree you're a bad player.

Sorry to burst the bubble but none of these have been logical or accurate, filled with fallacy. And is simply player opinion.

If you feel you need to use a parser and don't mind the risk of being reported on feel free to use it.

My personal opinion is players are weaker for using all these third party tools to play, but they are free to use them, I personally rather not use them and become stranger in my own way. Their should be nothing wrong with that,

I also feel kicking a person out for low dps is harrassment, a high dps comes from 3 main game factors and 2 outside factors, which are
1) gear
2) class/job understanding
3) Experience with content.

With in this set a person will have a high dps if they are greatly geared know their job inside and out and know the content inside and out. Where a low dps person might have 1 or 3 things against them such as laking gear, still learning their job or still learning the content. Thing is gear comes with beating content, job understanding comes from how the person learns which is a spectrum of ways. And a big one being experience in content. If a player is kicked out often how can they learn the content well enough to produce high output

The two outside factors being System you play on and internet speed. This varies player to player high dps may have the best pc in the world and best net in the world, and the low dps might be laggy due to iffy internet or their pc or ps3 is old and can't afford a ps4 or newer pc.

And wgat I learned in DCUO with the parser is how easy it was to manipulate to have a high dps, I played a a sorcery hero with a staff weapon I mainly used the pet side and found out if a freely switch my dps and healer stances placing my aoe dot having my attack pet out and using the main staf chain of sqaure button mashing i could top leaderboards. In both healing and dps because in healer stanced my aoe dot turns into an aoe regen, and my attacking pet becomes a healer pet.

I wasn't even trying to out dps anyone nor did I feel I was playing well. But i top dps regardless simply because i was doing dot and weapon damage across a ,l a wide area hitting more mobs.

[Zeonx]

I have actually brought up a case of harrassment so you can't really say that.

I have actually been harassed myself and had to report it.

Nobody died we were heading to the 3rd boss duty the keeper of the lake and we begin fighting healer cannot keep tank alive he keeps eating Aoes while I was the last one to die, we get up there he stops everyone and begins ranting about How I killed him.

He keeps bringing up he has a parser that its my fault this and that, I said look man I am dodging aoes doing my job of course my DPS is gonna be low I am not taking hits like you are, he starts cussing me out just putting me down trying to break me down to his level, I said basically look I know what you're doing you are trying to make me cuss you out and call you names.

Like you are doing to me so if I GM you for using a parser you going to look like the good guy, he cussed me out called me told me I was stupid and kicked me.

Then I reported him for harassment for using a parser he kept bringing it up to like it made him the ultimate player.

But always someone on forums will condone their actions say people don't use parser's this way, maybe for some but they don't speak for the ones who do.