healer vit points

[samkitwood]

I never over heal and noone dies, I don't need more mind. So what's wrong with putting it in vit, extra hp never harmed noone? I think lesser abled scholars may need higher heals as the may not know the job thoroughly enough, but for me i see more mind to be the biggest waste. The extra hp also give me more chance to dps/heal as I wont have to move every aoe n interupt any casts. No downtime is a benefit imo
Spell speed affects dots better than mind also

[raela]

I never over heal and noone dies, I don't need more mind. So what's wrong with putting it in vit, extra hp never harmed noone? I think lesser abled scholars may need higher heals as the may not know the job thoroughly enough, but for me i see more mind to be the biggest waste. The extra hp also give me more chance to dps/heal as I wont have to move every aoe n interupt any casts. No downtime is a benefit imo
Spell speed affects dots better than mind also

More mind is higher DPS.

[DarkmoonVael]

I never over heal and noone dies, I don't need more mind. So what's wrong with putting it in vit, extra hp never harmed noone? I think lesser abled scholars may need higher heals as the may not know the job thoroughly enough, but for me i see more mind to be the biggest waste. The extra hp also give me more chance to dps/heal as I wont have to move every aoe n interupt any casts. No downtime is a benefit imo
Spell speed affects dots better than mind also

"Lesser abled scholars" well now that you have shown this side......

Being a skilled scholar is about maximising your healing, mitigation and dps. You are doing none if this at all. Raiding requires a significant amount of skill from a scholar in terms of mitigating corrctly, healing correctly and dps correctly. You are doing none of this.

Spell speed does not effect dots more than mind. This is flat out misinformed wrong. Mind gets converted to intelligence via clerics stance. Guess what effects the damage you do most? It goes Weapon Damage>Mind swapped to cleric stance> relevant secondary stats. For dots, its determination and crit for increasing damage. No scholar or summoner will stack spell speed to incrase their damage.

So i was 100% correct about you being one of these people who needlessly stands in aoe to unnecessary damage. Guess what avoidable aoes usually do? They interrupt your spell casting if you get hit. So moot point again from you about being able to stand in aoes to cast more spells. One of the most basic skills any caster needs in this game is to be able to move and still do things. You lack this skill it seems.

You need a TL: DR in your OP that basically says TL: DR sch stacks vitality to stand in avoidable aoes, what do you guys think?

[samkitwood]

I dnt say I deliberately stand in them but mid cast I know I can finish the heal for tank buster etc without worrying it'll be a sacrificial heal so to speak lol. Look at the in game description of spell speed also as it does affect hots n dots. Crits are far too unreliable and determination doesn't seem to make much of a difference where as I can physically see the benefits of spell speed, think if there was a haste spell would ya not use it its no different. Don't hate cos you cant heal with lower mind stats, everyone plays different or itd be super boring. Some prefer to have more mind as there more comfortable with greater heals , I can heal just fine as is , seems like your just trying to argue

[samkitwood]

More mind is higher DPS.

More speed = more spells throughout fights = more dps

[DarkmoonVael]

I dnt say I deliberately stand in them but mid cast I know I can finish the heal for tank buster etc without worrying it'll be a sacrificial heal so to speak lol. Look at the in game description of spell speed also as it does affect hots n dots. Crits are far too unreliable and determination doesn't seem to make much of a difference where as I can physically see the benefits of spell speed, think if there was a haste spell would ya not use it its no different. Don't hate cos you cant heal with lower mind stats, everyone plays different or itd be super boring. Some prefer to have more mind as there more comfortable with greater heals , I can heal just fine as is , seems like your just trying to argue

No i am not trying to argue. I am using what is knows as facts and you are using nonsense you made up.

Also try looking at the actual in depth analysis of how spell speed effects dots and hots. It may help as then you wont look as so grossly uninformed as you are doing right now. The impact spell speed has on hots and dots is negligible compared to determination and crit. This is a fact. Plain and simple.

You seem to think people stacking mind on a healer, their primary stat, is something that wrong. Its laughable.

More speed = more spells throughout fights = more dps

Also this really is not the case with a dot based class like scholar and summoner. You dont get any extra dot ticks with spellspeed, nor does spell speed effect the damage dots do any where as significantly as determination or crit. There is a very good reason why the dot based classes stack crit and det and not spellspeed. Again, this is a cold hard fact.

If you need extra vit to stand in the bad that you could have moved out of and spell speed to make up for the fact you cant time spells correctly, then get good on SCH.

[samkitwood]

That doesn't change the fact that I can both heal ,dps and no one dies so its not really an issue in raids/dungeons. I play pvp n the extra vit helps when a warrior pops up , gives me a safety cushion whilst I swifcast blizz 2 -> aura blast -> sprint -> ruin 2 to safety. If your healer assists in killing things whist still successfully healing, my most recent parser check was 659 dps over a fight and burst dps of 830 so hardly what you'd call bad from a role there to heal.
Please explain how spell speed actually works currently then as I seem to be severely misinformed, i got my info from the in game description when ya curser over spellspeed on character menu? Whilst DT is on cool down I can adlo shield full party in 12-13 seconds utilising stagger steps with current build. Can a full crit scholar give me your dps figures along with crit/det n any other relevant stat as a comparison?

[Jamillion]

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I'm not going to teach you how to read but a quick Google search got me the state weights for summoner. All jobs have the same value for their primary stat so you can use it to get a gist of just how bad you are (yay!)

Summoner w/ Garuda – No book smacking:

WD: 11.602
INT: 1.000
DET: 0.137
CRT: 0.147
SS: 0.119

Summoner w/ Ifrit – No Book smacking:

WD: 11.602
INT: 1.000
DET: 0.136
CRT: 0.147
SS: 0.115

[UsateiInaba]

Hello Atlas, it's Usatei, from your FC. I'm not sure which of our scholars you've spoken to but I highly doubt that any of them agreed that this is better than the traditional mnd/crt build that is widely agreed to be the strongest for scholar right now. At most I would agree this build would probably be fine for pf content, because that takes very little in the way of skill or stats needed to really clear them. To an extent I'd say you could even get carried in a Thordan ex group. But endgame play outside of Pvp I have to wholehearted disagree with this build.

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[UsateiInaba]

Your role as a scholar during endgame content is very much that of a secondary healer. The majority of the raid healing will be done by your co healer, AST or WHM who are far more suited for that role. Your role is to provide mitigation via your shields and extra dps to help with any checks the fight has. For both of these things, crit and det are much, much better to have that ss and vit. ss simply dosen't make enough of a difference with how much you need to invest into it to weigh more than det or crit. I understand that yes, crit is unreliable, but understand that your shields literally double in strength when you crit. When using ss over crit you're basically ignoring a whole, very important mechanic of scholars with your build, therefore not utilizing what your class does to it's fullest.

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