The new raiding meta is making me want to quit.

[Kosmos992k]

Why does every player who clearly doesn't raid use this quote?

Oh, I don't know, because it's, you know..., the truth? Truth is truth whether I personally raid or not.

If your in i210 then sure maybe you can loose the healer dps, but anyone whos been into the later floors of Savage knows that healer+tank dps is needed.

Tell you what, why don't you just accept that encounters are balance without healer damage since the game creators have said so? No one is arguing against the idea that in Alex Savage, tank and healer damage can help teams meet the dps checks - even though the encounters are balance without healer dps. What is being discussed is how that meta has impacted all other parts of the game, including a huge number if players who will never raid.

I dont think the problem is the meta.. But the fact that Yoshida and his testers say they don't include healer DPS, and then make the checks wildly high as if you have 0 downtime for DPS at a reasonably geared level. This is assuming the Main tank at the time is always in Tank Stance.

It's a little ludicrous in A3, just because there's so much moving, but otherwise it's okay.

I guess thatwould depend on the target ilvl for which they balance. If your group is at or below that ilvl, you'll have to have pretty well perfect rotations and healer/tank assistance. If your group is at or above that ilvl, then the healer and tank dps is only needed toplug any gap between actual dps output and intended dps output.

Either way, the problem is very much the meta being forced down the throats of players outside the raiding community.

Rather than blaming Yoshi-P and the developers, why not simply accept the content is hard and that short of gearing, you have to depend on tanks and healers to fill the gearing gap for you?