The new raiding meta is making me want to quit.

[Miscreant]

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Why does every player who clearly doesn't raid use this quote? If your in i210 then sure maybe you can loose the healer dps, but anyone whos been into the later floors of Savage knows that healer+tank dps is needed.

For the Tank LB in the solo heal of Thordan, you guys do know that the ultimate gets stronger with every death, if your party doesn't have a death before the ultimate you should be fine without an LB I imagine, it's hard to have Stone Skin up for it though as his series of blast backs attack will knock it off just before.

[LunnaRavenheart]

For the Tank LB in the solo heal of Thordan, you guys do know that the ultimate gets stronger with every death, if your party doesn't have a death before the ultimate you should be fine without an LB I imagine, it's hard to have Stone Skin up for it though as his series of blast backs attack will knock it off just before.

Yeah I checked the logs, its only issue when players have lower gear. Or lb over 65 or both .

[Kosmos992k]

Why does every player who clearly doesn't raid use this quote?

Oh, I don't know, because it's, you know..., the truth? Truth is truth whether I personally raid or not.

If your in i210 then sure maybe you can loose the healer dps, but anyone whos been into the later floors of Savage knows that healer+tank dps is needed.

Tell you what, why don't you just accept that encounters are balance without healer damage since the game creators have said so? No one is arguing against the idea that in Alex Savage, tank and healer damage can help teams meet the dps checks - even though the encounters are balance without healer dps. What is being discussed is how that meta has impacted all other parts of the game, including a huge number if players who will never raid.

I dont think the problem is the meta.. But the fact that Yoshida and his testers say they don't include healer DPS, and then make the checks wildly high as if you have 0 downtime for DPS at a reasonably geared level. This is assuming the Main tank at the time is always in Tank Stance.

It's a little ludicrous in A3, just because there's so much moving, but otherwise it's okay.

I guess thatwould depend on the target ilvl for which they balance. If your group is at or below that ilvl, you'll have to have pretty well perfect rotations and healer/tank assistance. If your group is at or above that ilvl, then the healer and tank dps is only needed toplug any gap between actual dps output and intended dps output.

Either way, the problem is very much the meta being forced down the throats of players outside the raiding community.

Rather than blaming Yoshi-P and the developers, why not simply accept the content is hard and that short of gearing, you have to depend on tanks and healers to fill the gearing gap for you?

[Miscreant]

Oh, I don't know, because it's, you know..., the truth? Truth is truth whether I personally raid or not.



Tell you what, why don't you just accept that encounters are balance without healer damage since the game creators have said so? No one is arguing against the idea that in Alex Savage, tank and healer damage can help teams meet the dps checks - even though the encounters are balance without healer dps. What is being discussed is how that meta has impacted all other parts of the game, including a huge number if players who will never raid.

How are you getting on with your 3.1 Relic Quest? You know Yoshi-P said it would be in the patch last summer so it must be true... Not everything SE tells us is true, you have never been into the fights or seen the amount of dps that is required. All you have is a sentence that a dev said before the fight was ever released to go by, a little further down the line Yoshi-P said they think they over-tuned Savages difficulty, so where does that leave the no healer dps required theory now?

[Kosmos992k]

How are you getting on with your 3.1 Relic Quest? You know Yoshi-P said it would be in the patch last summer so it must be true...

You're comparing an estimated timeline that has since been revised, with a statement about how they balance and test encounters. Apples and oranges. Try harder.

[Miscreant]

You're comparing an estimated timeline that has since been revised, with a statement about how they balance and test encounters. Apples and oranges. Try harder.

You have never been into the fights or seen the amount of dps that is required all you have is a sentence that a dev said before the fight was ever released to go by, a little further down the line Yoshi-P said they think they over-tuned Savages difficulty, so where does that leave the no healer dps required theory now?

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[Hellboy-sa]

For the Tank LB in the solo heal of Thordan, you guys do know that the ultimate gets stronger with every death, if your party doesn't have a death before the ultimate you should be fine without an LB I imagine, it's hard to have Stone Skin up for it though as his series of blast backs attack will knock it off just before.

deaths has nothing to do with ultimate end strength

its the longer time you spent clearing P2 - P4 does