Critique my NIN rotation

[Elazu]

While on the topic of rotation. I also have a question. When is it the best time to refresh Huton with Armor Crush? I usually reset it around 17seconds left to 25 seconds left. However doing this way sometimes has it where DE will fall off momentarily or even longer because I have to refresh SF and Mut. Also is it also wrong that I barely get to do any AE combo with the heavensward stuff? I can record a video of my rotation later but not home atm.

Note I am also not lv60 but 59 so I don't think DWaD will make much of a difference.

Between 15-25 seconds is generally fine. This gives you enough time to reapply DE/SF/Mutilate if they're falling off soon, before actually using AC. And yes, it's normal that you don't get to use AE as much now.

[ExiaQuanta]

Between 15-25 seconds is generally fine. This gives you enough time to reapply DE/SF/Mutilate if they're falling off soon, before actually using AC. And yes, it's normal that you don't get to use AE as much now.

Alright ill give that shot then o3o.

[AlvaroVanagandr]

I am also not yet 60, but I use AC any time under 40s where I don't need either DE, M, or SF. I figure the Huton tmer will run out eventually so the more time left the less chance I have to use Ninjutsu on Huton.

[AkashiXI]

yes, Death Blossom with those two buffs can do 1000+ critical damage on expert dungeon trash mobs (plus the additional damage from Kas-Doton) so nobody can say NIN sucks at AoE.

It still sucks :P it's just much better when you buff it properly. Also it should be noted that Doton is not always the clear choice, as Katon -> Kassatsu Katon is better if the pack will die before all dots tick on Doton.

[ShanaShirayuki]

So, do i do katon first kassatsu then doton, bfb and ir then death blossom?

Just to clarify, make sure to use BfB before you use the Kass'd Doton. From this.

[mattlock]

K, so

Single target: Huton>SE>SF>MUT>SE>DE (unless storms eye is up, then its aeo edge after shadow fang) then armor crush for extended huton

Multi: Doton>Death blossom a few times>Kassatsu>Katon

Boss opener: SE>BFB>IR>GS>DE>KASSATSU>SUITON>SE>TRICKATTACK>GS>DUALTY>AEO EDGE

Then I keep my DoTs up until the boss is dead.

I won't comment on your multi rotation, because for the most part NIN doesnt really have a aoe rotation in my opinion but I will address the boss opener, which can be used as your single target opener

Boss opener Pre-cast Huton>wait 10-15 seconds>pull occurs> as you are running towards the boss, Suiton>

spinning edge (pop B4B and IR here)>Gust slash (pop dex potion if you are doing hardcore raiding if not, you can pop IR here)

>dancing Edge(pop Kassatsu here, only pop one OGCD here because it has a longer animation lock than usual)>spinning edge

(trick attack)>Shadow fang(raiton/fuma shuriken here, Raiton is usually better due to the mudra lag being fixed)

>Mutilate(dream within a dream or mug here, only one OGCD though)>spinning edge(dream within a dream or mug)

>gust slash(duality)>aeolian Edge(jugulate)


It is important to note that with this rotation, you will be able to fit every single attack into the vuln debuff from trick attack and the dex buff from your choice of potion

Let me know If I forgot something, I usually tend to forget something

[Jim_Berry]

I use Dancing Edge before Shadow Fang because DE has a longer duration. I could get two Shadow Fang's in before DE wears off, even if a WAR is in group; I open with DE so the WAR can build momentum for other abilities.

[Jim_Berry]

Just to clarify, make sure to use BfB before you use the Kass'd Doton. From this.

There's something in that link I must comment on:
"Individual ticks of Doton will all be guaranteed crits if you use it with Kassatsu, making it one of the most potent AoE abilities in the game."

I used to ALWAYS apply Kassatsu then Doton, but many folks told me I'm wrong, that it should always be Raiton or Fuma. That guide says I SHOULD be using Kass with Doton. I really need to stop listening to people and continue doing my own thing.

[Elazu]

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There's something in that link I must comment on:
"Individual ticks of Doton will all be guaranteed crits if you use it with Kassatsu, making it one of the most potent AoE abilities in the game."

I used to ALWAYS apply Kassatsu then Doton, but many folks told me I'm wrong, that it should always be Raiton or Fuma. That guide says I SHOULD be using Kass with Doton. I really need to stop listening to people and continue doing my own thing.

Folks have been telling you about single targets where you obviously won't use Doton and thus Kassatsu Raiton/Fuma, which obviously makes no sense on an AoE pull because you won't Raiton in the first place.

[ShanaShirayuki]

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There's something in that link I must comment on:
"Individual ticks of Doton will all be guaranteed crits if you use it with Kassatsu, making it one of the most potent AoE abilities in the game."

I used to ALWAYS apply Kassatsu then Doton, but many folks told me I'm wrong, that it should always be Raiton or Fuma. That guide says I SHOULD be using Kass with Doton. I really need to stop listening to people and continue doing my own thing.

Pretty sure they're talking about single target, if they're referencing AoE pulls then they have no business playing DPS classes.