Critique my NIN rotation

[JackFross]

@above conversation:

Doton is 30 potency per tick, 8 ticks. 240 total potency.

Raiton is 360 potency.
Fuma Shuriken is 240 potency - and it's buffed by both poison and dancing edge to give it an effective comparative potency of 316.8.

If you're casting Doton in ST rotations, ever, you're doing it wrong.

[Jim_Berry]

Pretty sure they're talking about single target, if they're referencing AoE pulls then they have no business playing DPS classes.

It was during dungeons, on trash.

[Iz_Lemon]

Compared to most of the openers listed in here I'd make one edit: Don't do mutilate during the trick attack vulnerability up. I've done a bit of testing and it always comes out better to do it afterwards. The dot ticks from mutilate are only 10% higher while vulnerability up is up... and ten seconds is not long enough to make mutilate worth doing over another GCD. My two cents.

[Shurrikhan]

Compared to most of the openers listed in here I'd make one edit: Don't do mutilate during the trick attack vulnerability up. I've done a bit of testing and it always comes out better to do it afterwards. The dot ticks from mutilate are only 10% higher while vulnerability up is up... and ten seconds is not long enough to make mutilate worth doing over another GCD. My two cents.

I was under the impression that all DoTs aside from ground AoEs / auras dealt damage for their full duration based on whatever buffs/debuffs were up at application, e.g. a Mutilate applied during TA would do 396 instead of 360 potency if unclipped? Could you pass a link as to what effects are or are not snapshotted? Can't seem to find anything from Heavensward on.

[Elazu]

I was under the impression that all DoTs aside from ground AoEs / auras dealt damage for their full duration based on whatever buffs/debuffs were up at application, e.g. a Mutilate applied during TA would do 396 instead of 360 potency if unclipped?

That is correct and Mutilate is no exception. So you absolutely want to use it during TA.

[Kaze3434]

Compared to most of the openers listed in here I'd make one edit: Don't do mutilate during the trick attack vulnerability up. I've done a bit of testing and it always comes out better to do it afterwards. The dot ticks from mutilate are only 10% higher while vulnerability up is up... and ten seconds is not long enough to make mutilate worth doing over another GCD. My two cents.

testing might be bad if you came to that conclusion. dots are snapshot-ed when used.

[MrCookTM]

The dot ticks from mutilate are only 10% higher while vulnerability up is up...

No idea where you picked this up but this is as wrong as it can get.

[Iz_Lemon]

Ok... capable of admitting when I'm beaten :P

What I was ultimately going on were some lower-than-they-should be thordan numbers that a friend was parsing me on, and dropping mutilate out of the trick attack opener got a big boost. And then I sort of polled some people who held the opinion that dots snapshot buffs, but not DEbuffs. Just spent a couple of minutes on a training dummy observing numbers and yeah, everyone else is right. Snapshots debuffs as well.

As far as the thordan numbers go, I think that because of dodging meteorain I wasn't getting the duality-ed aeolian edge into the trick attack window and dropping mutilate until after that made it more comfortable and consistent.

[AkashiXI]

Ok... capable of admitting when I'm beaten :P

What I was ultimately going on were some lower-than-they-should be thordan numbers that a friend was parsing me on, and dropping mutilate out of the trick attack opener got a big boost. And then I sort of polled some people who held the opinion that dots snapshot buffs, but not DEbuffs. Just spent a couple of minutes on a training dummy observing numbers and yeah, everyone else is right. Snapshots debuffs as well.

As far as the thordan numbers go, I think that because of dodging meteorain I wasn't getting the duality-ed aeolian edge into the trick attack window and dropping mutilate until after that made it more comfortable and consistent.

You most certainly can get all your dots, mug, doad, and duality in for your TA opener on Thor. If you don't attack exactly as your tank lobs, then maybe he'll turn during your AE to do his conal attack, otherwise you can bait the meteorain on either flank and keep the rear open.

[Hivernica]

I always did katon -> kassatsu -> doton then blossom in aoe situations...Was I wrong?