Please remove gathering from easy and Normal Diadem

[LionFranco]

I'm just starting to think that most of us on Sarg are just plain better people. I've been in multiple Diadem groups so far and we have never had issues with people going afk, or rolling on loot they didn't earn or afking, etc. I've even set up groups where we would spend an hour fighting and the last 30 gathering...no one complains or starts screaming matches, etc. I think Ash or Loony could probably supply their own experiences too.
But I'll just get to the point, if you are in a DF group and one or two people gather, then you need to step up your game if you want monster drops.
I do believe that SE needs to make changes though. Only people who participate in fights should get to roll on loot, and gatherer loot should be limited to Gatherers only. 5 minute AFK rule, not 10. Perhaps lower some of the damage requirement to get drops from the bigger mobs. But kicking people will be exploited badly, so no, unless you could kick them from the group without it kicking them from the Diadem.
SE does need to make changes but those of you who expect people who go in to Diadem to fight instead of gather just because that's what YOU want them to do need to learn not to be so entitled. Other people pay for and play this game too.

[RukiaFae]

I think gathers have every right to be there but this system they have right now is not working. Please stop saying pf solves everything because it doesn't. You can makes rules before you go in but once in people don't have to follow them. Yes you can blacklist them when you get but you have already wasted your time if people afk and just roll on loot or too many people leave your group. This really sucks for those of us who don't have much playing time. Wasting two hours is not fair to the ones following pre-set rules. They need to make and quality of life changes to the places. This places is showing how many axxholes there are on the internet especially when they know they can get away with it.

[Asmodai]

No it's not. Sorry but that doesn't apply when gathering is an acceptable part of the experience. It's been said over and over if you want a full battle group party finder it. It's not that hard, stop projecting what you want on everyone especially in df.

No you. Fo real.

[Asmodai]

However, there are Diadem exclusive things everyone (gatherers and others) can get at Diadem and not outside Diadem. .

Well here is a crazy idea. Instead of arguing about how you want to ruin every ones run, how bout you argue to move the nodes to the overworld where you can solo til your eyes bleed.

[MikotoMina]

I feel like the best solution is to have a Gathering option for parties, and a Battle option. Then people can more easily form Battle or Gathering parties.

That's basically what I just said .. lol.

[Ronove]

Well here is a crazy idea. Instead of arguing about how you want to ruin every ones run, how bout you argue to move the nodes to the overworld where you can solo til your eyes bleed.

But then you're ruining the gatherer's run (and if they put them in the overworld, then it'll be behind some timed node nonsense). Why don't we put all the pink i210 outside of Diadem and let them farm until their eyes bleed?

With all this though I think the best option would be to allow you to DF as a Botanist/Miner/Fisher to get in a Gathering party instead of a Battle party but then what would they do about the objectives to get esos? They get one shot by every single monster and you still have to attune to aethercurrents. So it wouldn't be fair if they couldn't hop to their battle class to get their aethercurrents so they can fly. Sure you can just say "be sneakier" but not everyone's a ninja. :P

People may not like it but SE put gathering nodes in there because they wanted them there so gatherers had something new to do. It would be unfair to the gatherers who really enjoy it to suddenly take it out of Diadem because people making their eyes bleed trying to get pink i210 had a fit. I do agree there should be some middle ground so Diadem works for both the battle classes and gathering classes without the headache but I don't think removing gathering from Diadem is the way to do it.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

Diadrem being instanced instead of an open world dungeon is a serious design flaw honestly. It would of been amazing Open World Content and dungeons.

[Shofie]

That's basically what I just said .. lol.

I'm sure it was said before, I just didn't want to sift through 8 pages, lol. I just wanted to throw my agreement in.

[MikotoMina]

I'm sure it was said before, I just didn't want to sift through 8 pages, lol. I just wanted to throw my agreement in.

Yeah, I understand. But if they made it for different options, all this arguing would stop for the most part and people could just play the game. ~_~

[Felis]

A way to fix it: relic quest keyitems in the diadem gathering nodes. If everyone is on gatherer then there is no problem.


SE should also put DoH/DoL gears and DoH/DoL ilevel 160+ secondary tools into the NM chests.