Please remove gathering from easy and Normal Diadem

[TThibi]

As I type I am in a diadem party with one person who just wants to mine, one person who just wants to fish, one person dc'd soon after flying and hasn't come back there's 33 mins left on the clock, the rest of the party is wavering on giving up farming chests and going to mine or harvest and we can't get anything to drop. Even with 3-4 other parties super killing everything that pops. The gatherers don't want to farm but they want to lot on drops from NM's they did not participate in killing. Based on the way loot drops are set in here this is poison for a group that cannot kick or replace members. I joined the random group queu because I want to farm after work not sit here powerless while 2-3 people ruin the only activity I have time to do tonight.

I could run with my FC if I was willing to stop going to work and make that stuff SElikes me to pay every month called money. I see what SE envisioned, they wanted everyone to be included but we've proven 2 weeks in why we can't have nice things, because people are not responsible or respectful with or of other people's time. There are more effective places to get hardsilver, titanium, and Mythrite ore, the other ore is not even useful in anything that i've seen. The same fish in here can be caught outside safer, the chests they gather are not frequent enough to warrant wasting the time on them.

Do what people thought the system was in the first place, make mining and harvesting nodes appear only when monsters are actively being killed by the person's party and only in area's not accessable by the random party queu. Yes a million posts exist already about this gives you an idea it needs to be fixed doesn't it?

[SonKevin]

Stop whining. The only issue that needs to be addressed is letting someone roll on loot they didn't contribute on.

[Ultima]

Stop whining. The only issue that needs to be addressed is letting someone roll on loot they didn't contribute on.

That is uncalled for and extremely rude, people are allowed to discuss and offer their opinion on an issue. Diadem is really poor design and it needs to be addressed somehow.

[Zeonx]

That is uncalled for and extremely rude, people are allowed to discuss and offer their opinion on an issue. Diadem is really poor design and it needs to be addressed somehow.

I don't understand they gave their opinion on the issue and yeah they are right people need to stop attacking content that just rolled out.

Trying to turn the run into what they want and whats good for them and not for others and exclude people out, this isn't what this was made for its for all.

Rude or not I see a lot of threads trying to change content to favor people who don't want others to play, only play the way they play and that is total crap sorry.

[Kit-Kat]

Stop whining. The only issue that needs to be addressed is letting someone roll on loot they didn't contribute on.

The Diadem is time based. The less people fighting, the more it takes to kill a single monster. In the long run, you'll end up killing less, and getting less reward. People who refuse to fight, but leech anyway, are slowing down others. The only solution I could imagine is remove it from DF and have people complaining they need a FC for it, or make separated queues for DoL classes on different map instances.

[Verius_Nox]

Stop whining. The only issue that needs to be addressed is letting someone roll on loot they didn't contribute on.

Calm down, Kevin.

Not letting others roll on loot they didn't contribute to will only solve one problem, but it won't solve the problem of party not being able to get full contribution towards star mobs, or any mob being contested by other groups, because people are off gathering solo and pooping on the other 7.

[Vejjiegirl]

Stop whining.

OP needs to get over himself.

There is no need for that. The forum is a place for everyone to give their opinion.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/63104

Please show respect and consideration to other users.

:On Topic:


I think there needs to be different ques for Diadem. One for Gathering and one for Combat. This might solve the issue a bit maybe. Restricting people from being able to gather would cause some problems since there are materials only found in normal mode Diadem. Or possibly allow Mining/botany strikes on minerals and trees or fishing reel successes count towards a dps hit depending on your gathering? (not sure if this would actually work)

[Jinxie]

I disagree, gatherers have just as much right to be there as you do. Perhaps not rolling on loot, though I'd argue that you guys take loot from my gathering chests so I should get at least a little of your battling loot. But regardless of that, a gatherer has every right to be there just as you do. If you dont want that to happen, make premade groups.

[TThibi]

Except i'm not there for your gathering loot, nor do I want it, or have interest in it I am a gatherer too and harvest or mine only to complete objectives, or when a party breaks due to too many gathering, dc's, or not enough people in zone to farm effectively as has happened 4 nights this week. I'm there for loot to trade in for tokens or for a random chance at a piece of 210 armor I can use. Premades are not a solution 2 of the failed groups were premade it doesn't guarantee success.

When you run off and do whatever you want and leave the rest of the party in a lurch you cost us time we could be using more effectively, drops we can't pull enough damage to get the nice shinies we all want, and though your random chests may be contributing to you, in the time you farmed that junk box, we could have brought in 15 or more loot boxes with your dps or more commonly healing magic, gatherers love to queu in as healers then skylark around leaving one person to handle the group. When you queu up you're on the clock it's not your time anymore it's 7 other people's time you can gather when the party breaks, when the farming is over, or when your actions no longer affect others directly. I have enough self control to give that courtesy it's not hard to do nor is it an imposition. Don't play victim i'm not in the mood to humor you.

You're there to perform a task not run off and punish others for having the misfortune to meet you. I suggest if you want to gather you form a party specifically to gather. ^^

[Aniond]

Thats all very subjective. What you are their for has nothing to do what the original argument. DIADEM is for both Gear and Crafters. Both have an equal right to be there. Whether you have time for you "shinies" falls on you not the crafters. Stop acting like a child. If you don't the the setup then stop running it.