Current state of MCH?

[Velhart]

I feel like this is going to be the 1.0 of MCH haha. Like how XIV is doing great now and Yoshi still gets asked in interviews "Soo.. tell us about how the game failed at first" as a talking point. We could be waiting for 7.0 and people still won't have dropped it.

Personally I enjoy the stereotype because the less popular the class is, the more job security I have. It's also nice to be the pacer of the group - if MCH/BRD are support classes they should do the lowest DPS right? I set a very high bar so I enjoy seeing people sweat it to not get embarassed.

I have not met one person on my server that has denied a MCH just because they are a MCH. Most likely because anyone with common sense knows it is a good job and in no crisis mode.

All major MCH problems at the beginning of the expansion were user errors.

[RiceisNice]

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All major MCH problems at the beginning of the expansion were user errors.

Even without user errors, MCH (and by extension, BRD) were still undertuned compared to the rest of the dps jobs, let alone the fact that their post-50 abilities are essentially useless for the entire leveling process since WM/GB was a damage loss whe nit was only 20%. They werent low enough that it prevented content clears, but content at the time weren't taxing on healers for mp either; Outside of foe and hypercharge (which may not even make up the damage discprendency depending on party composition and if healers are dpsing), they bought nothing special with objectively lower damage than the other jobs.

[Velhart]

Even without user errors, MCH (and by extension, BRD) were still undertuned compared to the rest of the dps jobs, let alone the fact that their post-50 abilities are essentially useless for the entire leveling process since WM/GB was a damage loss whe nit was only 20%. They werent low enough that it prevented content clears, but content at the time weren't taxing on healers for mp either; Outside of foe and hypercharge (which may not even make up the damage discprendency depending on party composition and if healers are dpsing), they bought nothing special with objectively lower damage than the other jobs.

I'm aware of this, I was referring to optimal rotations.

[RiceisNice]

I'm aware of this, I was referring to optimal rotations.

That's also applicable to BRD (who arguably has the least rotational change, second to warrior and monk), and especially jobs who have a larger margin for error between doing ok and optimal dps. Even at optimal rotations, you'd still lag pretty far behind every other jobs who are equally as optimal. Saying that people not knowing the job being the/all major problem is false when they have post-50 abilities that lower their dps and can be outright condescending to some people without added context.