Punish DOL and Afker's in Diadem

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Oof. I wish you would've made this sound a little less inflammatory.

I think "punish" is too strong of a word considering that gathering is a major part of The Diadem experience. I will agree completely that it is a nuisance when the goals of the party members do not align, however. I sort of proposed this elsewhere, but I'd like to see some kind of implementation that puts gatherers and combat classes into more appropriate groups. If you could queue for The Diadem as a DoL, maybe you could get an undersized party with all DoL players? Maybe DoL classes could have an easier time getting their flight points? I really don't know how it would be implemented, but I do think it's necessary.

As for the AFKers - if you leech in The Diadem, you are just the worst.

Aye. The title contradicts the actual post. Gatherers aren't the problem, so much as the current system implementation. I actually think your idea is a fairly sound solution. Let DoL have a separate queue, possibly with no party restrictions if a certain amount of time passes (that way they aren't stuck for 30+ minutes), then everyone wins.

AFKers need to be shot from a cannon. While timers are a decent way to stop them, I would like to see immediate auto-kicks if you've not gathered/contributed 25% worth of damage, or something along those lines. Basically, anything that forces them to actually do the content, not just press W every two minutes.

[Ashkendor]

It is for RL discrimination such as Religious views, race, sex, and sexuality choices. Asking Sqaure to equalize the loot between combat classes and DoL is not against the guidelines.

Actually, I got a 10 day ban at one point for replying to a post saying that it's hard to gear up with "Really? I guess I missed that memo." The email I got cited the reason as my post being discriminatory in nature. That whole thread was a mess so it might've just been a mass ban of everyone that was posting in it, but yeah. Sometimes they ban for weird shit. :|

[Almalexia]

Remember people.

Diadem: Sure you can do other stuff but it's really just Dino Island and god help you if you think otherwise.

I don't know what this is doing in this thread. If the PF says gold chest farm, you know what you're getting yourself into - and it's not DOL.

[missybee]

Aye. The title contradicts the actual post. Gatherers aren't the problem, so much as the current system implementation. I actually think your idea is a fairly sound solution. Let DoL have a separate queue, possibly with no party restrictions if a certain amount of time passes (that way they aren't stuck for 30+ minutes), then everyone wins.

AFKers need to be shot from a cannon. While timers are a decent way to stop them, I would like to see immediate auto-kicks if you've not gathered/contributed 25% worth of damage, or something along those lines. Basically, anything that forces them to actually do the content, not just press W every two minutes.

How about if they haven't contributed enough damage, they are auto-kicked by way of a cutscene showing them being fired from a cannon off of the island? I would be okay with this.

Really though, I think that is a fair suggestion. Make some kind of contribution, or get the cannon.

[Ashkendor]

I don't know what this is doing in this thread. If the PF says gold chest farm, you know what you're getting yourself into - and it's not DOL.

Why the hell would a DoL even join a gold chest farm in PF? That's kind of a pointless argument to make.

OP is talking about DF, as is the person that you quoted.

[xvshanevx]

I love gathering in this game and I do not find this topic offensive.

Here are some ideas I had for Diadem to help BOTH DoW/M and DoL while in Diadem:

1. All items found in Diadem are trade-able between party member that were active during the drop. If you were afk, or not originally in the party, during the drop you may not trade.
2. Allow ilvl 120, 140, and 160 gathering gear to drop from chests that come from gathering nodes.
3. If you are a DoL when a DoW/M item drops, you cannot roll on it--all you can do is pass.
4. If you are a DoW/M when a DoL item drops, you cannot roll on it--all you can do is pass.
5. If you have been AFK >= 5 mins you can not roll on gear until the AFK has been removed. If you are AFK again within 5 minutes, you will have a 20 minute penalty to roll on items. Penalty can be removed once participation > total amount of time afked / total party participation.
6. DoL items found in Diadem can only be 'need' rolled by the person who found the item, all other DoLs in party can only greed.
7. Participation for monster kills in Diadem are dictated by damage relative to the amount of DoW/M players in party. (example: if only 1 DoW/M in party, they receive 7x the amount of 'participation' when fighting mobs.)
8. If you are afk in Diadem for >= 15 minutes you receive an irreplaceable title for the remainder of the run that EVERYONE can see: "Diadem's Finest".

I have only ran Diadem a few times. Found it incredibly dull for DoW/M but to be incredibly fun for DoL. These are just some quick ideas and have no idea if they would really work. I just would like to see that you could bring 7 DoL and 1 DoW (or vice versa) and for everyone to benefit and have an enjoyable time.

[Reaperking386]

I love gathering in this game and I do not find this topic offensive.

Here are some ideas I had for Diadem to help BOTH DoW/M and DoL while in Diadem:
1. All items found in Diadem are trade-able between party member that were active during the drop. If you were afk, or not originally in the party, during the drop you may not trade.
2. Allow ilvl 120, 140, and 160 gathering gear to drop from chests that come from gathering nodes.
3. If you are a DoL when a DoW/M item drops, you cannot roll on it--all you can do is pass.
4. If you are a DoW/M when a DoL item drops, you cannot roll on it--all you can do is pass.
5. If you have been AFK >= 5 mins you can not roll on gear until the AFK has been removed. If you are AFK again within 5 minutes, you will have a 20 minute penalty to roll on items. Penalty can be removed once participation > total amount of time afked / total party participation.
6. DoL items found in Diadem can only be 'need' rolled by the person who found the item, all other DoLs in party can only greed.
7. Participation for monster kills in Diadem are dictated by damage relative to the amount of DoW/M players in party. (example: if only 1 DoW/M in party, they receive 7x the amount of 'participation' when fighting mobs.)
8. If you are afk in Diadem for >= 15 minutes you receive an irreplaceable title for the remainder of the run that EVERYONE can see: "Diadem's Finest".

I have only ran Diadem a few times. Found it incredibly dull for DoW/M but to be incredibly fun for DoL. These are just some quick ideas and have no idea if they would really work. I just would like to see that you could bring 7 DoL and 1 DoW (or vice versa) and for everyone to benefit and have an enjoyable time.

I am for it man!

[missybee]

Snip!

Honestly, I find the DoL stuff to be pretty fun. It reminds me of trying to gather lumber in Mamook back in XI.

Granted, dying isn't really a big deal in this game...but still!

Your suggestions are pretty on point too. Take my updoots.

[Almalexia]

Why the hell would a DoL even join a gold chest farm in PF? That's kind of a pointless argument to make.

OP is talking about DF, as is the person that you quoted.

I didn't realize you could DF this, so I am going to have a laugh. Ha ha ha.

[Reaperking386]

I didn't realize you could DF this, so I am going to have a laugh. Ha ha ha.

Have to go to foundation to manually go to df. it is next to the airship in ishguard