Quote Originally Posted by SchalaZeal View Post
You can't have both of those at once in the same kind of content:

1) Something you can DF and expect to win.

2) Something that provides a challenge harder than Alex NM or Void Ark.

At best you could have 3) Content hard enough to require a newbie/casual static (ie 2 hours a week tops), which can have 1-2 members PFed. Which is how Coil was. Of course those statics probably didn't clear T5/9/13 before it had echo, but they probably downed the next best thing (ie T4 long before 2.2).
Agreed.

Which is why I would prefer the system in 2.0, where you were prepared for coil by having to get your relic and do hardmode primals. It all felt like a road you could progress on, not a brick wall.