Harassment of DoL in Diadem via DF

[RaineAmorie]

But that's just it, Diadem is open ended content. Why isn't it selfish then for others to try to limit my play by harassing me? I see both sides, I really do, it does mess things up a little bit, but why am I the one who is selfish? Just because I'm in the minority of ppl who don't want to grind mobs EVERY time I go into diadem.

Like you said Blitz, ppl in DF aren't exactly know for pushing good dps, so why then are people even going through DF to farm mobs? What's stopping others from making a PF for grinding loot? Because gathering isn't the "main" diadem thing? When your FC airship is out on a venture and you wait almost 2 hrs to fill a gathering party, the DF is the only choice, and that's picking from everyone so you why not be more mindful of that?

[ValkyrieL]

Before Diadem release, my belief was that Dow/DoM would go there and clear the island, than use remaining "X" minutes to freely gather afterwards.

Would the design be better this way?... 1 hour Dow/DoM only (increase NM spawn rate due to loosing 30mins) and last 30mins, the gathering nodes spawn.

Though I could still see how DoL.....could just go there, AFK for 1 hour than gather T_T.

[Zojha]

Isn't it selfish to expect someone else to do what you want them to do, just because you don't like what they're doing?

I'm certain they wouldn't mind if what you are doing would not directly detrimentally affect what they are intending to do. Saying you'll pass on loot when you reduce the chances of actually getting loot appears cynic at best and doesn't really help much.

Frankly, they need to separate gatherers and combat classes, at least in DF. The current system just invites griefing and we really don't need to encourage people to grief others.

[Loony_BoB]

I just go in as 2 or 3 people with the fc. A couple sac pulls (or be stealthy) to get the currents to fly and then full freedom to gather. Duty finder is terrible. Save yourself the hassle

Yeah, this seems to be the way to go. If your FC doesn't allow you to do this, complain. 160 credits isn't much for two people go to gather together, or even for one to gather and the other to just stick around for 40 eso and then leave.

Imagine if gatherers only got 10% chance to hit unless all 8 people were gathering. That's basically what you're doing to the fighters when you DF it and then go gather for 90 minutes.

[Blitzace]

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Imagine if gatherers only got 10% chance to hit unless all 8 people were gathering. That's basically what you're doing to the fighters when you DF it and then go gather for 90 minutes.

This right here,

and atleast 80-90% of the gathers i've encountered do indeed loot for the items they don't do anything for. If that is the case i wanna get their loot too. What are they doing for me? or the party? nothing. What are we doing for them? Everything since they just keep looting the items.

If they made it so people who haven't done dmg on the mobs or have hate w/e can't lot(Or on any gather classes) can loot gear, and if people are indeed on gather classes make it so that the amount of dmg is reduced so people can get chest, Problem fixed.

But as it stands right now it is just stupid to enter a DF with a few people to gather.

Edit -

And yes i do understand you want to gather, and i don't mind. i just don't think its smart to have multiple people in the pt doing it, as it will render the rest of the PT kinda... left in the dark

[Eight]

1st of all, I'm not crying cause i'm not doing diadem. Only did it for the mount And even then i only said something to the people that were gathering if they still were lotting items.
Secondly, If your PT isn't able to get the chests due you two(Yes not one, but two) gathering, I would call that selfish yes.
Either go with the group, or screw up 7 others people loot/time. You should just make a PF if you wanna gather, Like i've seen done so many times already on my server.
Why you would go in as a incomplete PT to then gather instead of doing the main thing diadem is for is beyond me.
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Why do the gatherers gotta make a party finder? Why don't the people who wanna farm dino island make a party finder and stay out of DF how about that. What if gatherers can't get a PF finder party together, they can't go now cause you think everyone who goes in has to do what you wanna do? How about you put a dino island party together in PF and if you can't get 8 people well guess what you can't go. If a group honestly can't get a chest on a star rank with 7 people then maybe your group needs to learn to play their jobs properly or how about all the time 3 full 8 player parties farm star ranks and even with 8 people don't get the chest?

[Loony_BoB]

I wonder if they should have made the party makeup 1x Tank, 2x Healer, 4x DPS... and 1-2x DoL. Then set objectives surrounding teamwork. Sorta like the old Hamlet, only... uh... better.

[Garotte14]

But that's just it, Diadem is open ended content. Why isn't it selfish then for others to try to limit my play by harassing me? I see both sides, I really do, it does mess things up a little bit, but why am I the one who is selfish? Just because I'm in the minority of ppl who don't want to grind mobs EVERY time I go into diadem.

You have to just look at it subjectively and honestly put yourself in others shoes. You joined a party to do activities that require a party and then run off and do solo content, essentially effecting the entirety of the party. Not everyone has a gathering class.

[Blitzace]

@Eight

First off all why should the bigger group adjust to the minority? One two persons can do what ever they want to screw with the others, mean while the others should just suck it up?
Second off all, People are already doing that. But if only gathers would do the same there would be no problem. Instead, once again as for my own experience, 80%+ keeps lotting on items while gathering,

Don't tell me 6-7 people should make a PF cause one of the other players are selfish right?
if you join a GROUP in DF, you work together, Not go off on your own and do what ever you want. Try that in a dungeon and see how well that works, You'll be booted before you know it. Luckly for these kind of people we can't boot people out of Diadem as of yet. Cause this was the first thing i checked when i noticed this kind of behaviour of the "Gathers" when i chose to gather the last 5-10/15 minutes i do not lot for any pieces of gear. Unless a star pops and i quickly change back to help the PT out.

[MaeIsMean]

If you want to gather, don't loot. And don't queue as a healer or tank! DOL are getting harassed because they're being rude by ruining the experience of 6-7 other people for their own personal gain.