Worst fears about specialist crafting are realized

[Immut]

So far people I've talked to are either quitting, making alts, or they're working to collude with other crafters in response to this.

Oh well.

Colluding with other crafters? Gasp. Say it isn't so. Oh wait no that's what you're SUPPOSED TO GODDAMN BE DOING.

Holy shit it's a multiplayer game, people. Step out of your box.

[AstralKaos]

Colluding with other crafters? Gasp. Say it isn't so. Oh wait no that's what you're SUPPOSED TO GODDAMN BE DOING.

Holy shit it's a multiplayer game, people. Step out of your box.

How about, everyone is a greedy and won't do you any favour and such without it costing you a bucket load, and certainly not any make-believe agreement crap that you got in your head. There is no "I scratch your back" malarkey here, if you have somehow gotten that, you are a very rare exception, especially if it's off some rando crafter guy that you just happened to have talked to because "it's a multiplayer game".

It's a greedy world. Step out of your bubble.

The specialist system is garbage, it's not needed and it doesn't serve its actual original purpose. The point was so you can level just one or whatever cla... blah blah, it doesn't matter as it didn't help, you still need all the old cross class stuff anyway, and to be blunt, if YOU can't be bothered to put in the time and effort to get all crafting classes to 50 when that was the cap, then YOU don't deserve the benefits of that self-sufficient luxury, nor the bonus of having a wider range of stuff to craft. You don't deserve... wait for it, nothing, as you didn't put in the effort and time to reach that level.

If it did what it was meant to, then cool beans, but it doesn't... it gives some crappy skills, and now locks you out of the "no limits, go as far as YOU want to" approach they preached for so long until they implemented this system disguised as a "benefit" to those unwilling to level stuff.

It's an MMO. Step out and level.

[Immut]

How about, everyone is a greedy and won't do you any favour and such without it costing you a bucket load, and certainly not any make-believe agreement crap that you got in your head. There is no "I scratch your back" malarkey here, if you have somehow gotten that, you are a very rare exception, especially if it's off some rando crafter guy that you just happened to have talked to because "it's a multiplayer game".

Having an FC is not a rare exception at all. Even less so is buying materials off the market board. Titanium-alloy ingots and pterodactyl leather are only about 50k over cost on my server.

I'm not sure you understand what purpose gil and the market board have in an MMO. Like it or not, any time you buy or sell anything you are doing exactly that. You're scratching someone else's back. The gil simply entitles you to an equivalent scratch from some other crafter. Welcome to the economy.

[AstralKaos]

Having an FC is not a rare exception at all. Even less so is buying materials off the market board. Titanium-alloy ingots and pterodactyl leather are only about 50k over cost on my server.

I'm not sure you understand what purpose gil and the market board have in an MMO. Like it or not, any time you buy or sell anything you are doing exactly that. You're scratching someone else's back. The gil simply entitles you to an equivalent scratch from some other crafter. Welcome to the economy.

Congratulations, you aren't the main crafter in an FC, double congratulations on having those members on 24/7 for you to get help from at any hour, triple congratulations on being able to take them with you should you end up moving servers etc etc etc. Buying the materials off the market is not an issue, that's fine, that's also not the point being discussed here, it's that the old alternative was that you could make the item, any item, any class if you was able to, and now you can't as you're limited to three classes that have access to all of them.

Again, buying off the MB is not an issue, nor is buying a craft of specialist items off someone... I'm not sure you understand what the point of this thread is.

Make it possible to get all specialist stones and not just three, those wanting to be like the good old days through time investment and effort are happy, and those that want themselves limited to only three complete lists are too. It's no different to Master Book stages, only as of right now the dev's are saying you can't have more than three books, if you want a new one then enjoy your effort and time spent going bye bye.

[Mindy_Macready]

Colluding with other crafters? Gasp. Say it isn't so. Oh wait no that's what you're SUPPOSED TO GODDAMN BE DOING.

Holy shit it's a multiplayer game, people. Step out of your box.

Not everything about an MMO needs to revolve around other players. That was the initial appeal of crafting and gathering for a lot of people, something you and a lot of the "OMG SOCIALIZE" people fail to realize.

The fact is doubly lost on you because one of the unique features of this game is that you could literally level everything to max if you wanted. That's no longer the case.

[Immut]

Not everything about an MMO needs to revolve around other players. That was the initial appeal of crafting and gathering for a lot of people, something you and a lot of the "OMG SOCIALIZE" people fail to realize.

The fact is doubly lost on you because one of the unique features of this game is that you could literally level everything to max if you wanted. That's no longer the case.

Then use the market board to buy what you need. Yes I have a BSM specialist in my fc that i'm yelling at to dump titanium alloy ingots on me. He hasn't done it yet. BUT WAIT MONEY EXISTS.

[AnnietheCat]

Then use the market board to buy what you need. Yes I have a BSM specialist in my fc that i'm yelling at to dump titanium alloy ingots on me. He hasn't done it yet. BUT WAIT MONEY EXISTS.

Except why should we have to spend all our hard earned gil on jacked up prices just because only a handful of people chose to specialize in that class? Not everyone who is an omnicrafter or wants to be an omnicrafter shits gil. I wish I did, but I don't. I already spend ridiculous amounts on mats that I can't get for myself. Plus, the server economies are often VASTLY different, so what's affordable on your server won't always be affordable on any other server. What's cheap on Exodus won't necessarily be what's cheap on Siren. We can't predict what will make the most gil or what we'll be needing the most of in the future, and we can't plan for stuff we can't predict. I'm the only person in my FC that has even a single specialist. So it's great that /your/ personal experience allows you to ask for help or that /your/ server economy is cheap enough for you to buy the mats you need, but /your/ experience is not universal.

[Immut]

stuff

No, every server economy is going to be roughly the same for this. Sphalerite and cloud cotton are worthless trash that you only gather because it's in the way of your steel spoils. It's at 1g per on every server. Right now there are very few bsm specs on exodus, so titanium-alloy ingots are hovering around 50k. it won't be long before they go down to 10k. Likewise it won't be long before sky pirate gear is 100k a piece or less, the only thing missing is the hard mode pterodactyl fishing spot. Pterodactyls are the only thing keeping any of this crap expensive.

[AnnietheCat]

wrong.

No, every server economy won't be roughly the same. I can play on my main on Siren and expect to spend at least 100k each on specialist mats, while on Coeurl, the last time I checked, they were much cheaper. An armoire on siren costs 300k-1m at any given time, while on Balmung the prices for those have dropped heavily. I can make 250k by selling 30 hardsilver ingots, while on coeurl I wouldn't even get half that, and that's not even a specialist item. So no, you're wrong, please don't try and use your server economy as the basis for ALL server economies. Population versus number of crafters(specialists, specifically) play heavily into the way things are priced. You know, supply vs demand?

[Immut]

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The supply is going to greatly outstrip demand on ALL SERVERS because any gatherer in diadem is going to be up to their ears in this shit while trying to get steel spoils in the hopes they can get something people actually want. If the refined mats are expensive it's because you got some kind of crafter mafia price fixing shit.

The only way this isn't going to happen is if every gatherer suddenly decides it isn't fucking worth it to even go in there. Which I will admit is entirely possible.

What about those without gil pools? Does "BUT WAIT MONEY EXISTS" apply to them?.

I haven't had more than 100k for more than 10 minutes in the last two weeks. Find out what people buy, make it, and sell it. It ain't hard.