New Shield Swipe - role is reversed?

[Malicewolf]

Every time I explain it to you ppl you get it twisted. It's almost like you think you know more than me.

Other people having more knowledge is not an issue. It's a fact of life. Get used to it. And obviously, the people who have been responding to you in here this entire time DO know more than you. Otherwise, you would not of admitted DEX buids are no longer useful and you would've continued playing your DEX build and trying to convince everyone that it was a better build.

I have no issue's with people thinking outside the box or trying new things. But you are extremely coarse and rude in your responses. You basically come in here, make a statement (which everyone came and informed you was wrong) then told THEM that they are wrong and obviously stupid (just to end up finding out YOURSELF that they were right). Now you are telling people that they couldn't possibly be more knowledgeable than you in this game?

If you weren't so rude in how you answer people, there really wouldn't be an issue. Majority of those in here have tried to be very nice in responding to you. There were a few that weren't, yes, but you also fueled that fire...

[Pileus_Storm]

No I responded that DEX was useful to the tank because it triggered a block and parry but ppl have complained about the idea of DEX being the attack power of DPS and it shouldn't be used for tanks. And that the defense in the tank gear should be used to trigger a block and parry. I feel that it was useful in character design. It would give players more depth in how to gear up for dungeons and raids. They didn't want it to have a duel role. As well as STR not having a duel role either. STR was used to mitigate damage now it doesn't. It's just attack power. They have made this game linear as fuck. That's the problem I have. Most ppl can't think of how to develop a character so they want the developers to do it for them.

If you didn't understand the attributes could be used in different ways than maybe you shouldn't played this game. No, instead ppl complained about what they thought didn't make sense to make the game easier for them.

If you didn't understand let me explain it again.

STR was the attack power for the tank
DEX was the attack power for the DPS

For specific tank actions those two attributes complimented each other. DEX triggered a block or parry and STR mitigated damage when a block or parry occurred. I was not replacing STR with DEX nor was I adding DEX to accessories in place of STR. My understanding of the gear was that it was at its limit of STR so my intent of using DEX was to apply just enough to trigger a block according to the preferred shield and gear combo. The character build was to create a character that actually tanked. I see ppl in dungeons and Raids running away from specific enemy actions instead of gearing up for defense. The defense that they use is already on the gear. So basically everything is laid out and you don't have to do anything but get looted gear and play. They've made materia useless. The only materia worth using is the crafting materia and ppl are complaining about that. Ppl now make materia to sell to players who don't know how easy it is to make materia.

[Pileus_Storm]

Other people having more knowledge is not an issue. It's a fact of life. Get used to it. And obviously, the people who have been responding to you in here this entire time DO know more than you. Otherwise, you would not of admitted DEX buids are no longer useful and you would've continued playing your DEX build and trying to convince everyone that it was a better build.

I have no issue's with people thinking outside the box or trying new things. But you are extremely coarse and rude in your responses. You basically come in here, make a statement (which everyone came and informed you was wrong) then told THEM that they are wrong and obviously stupid (just to end up finding out YOURSELF that they were right). Now you are telling people that they couldn't possibly be more knowledgeable than you in this game?

If you weren't so rude in how you answer people, there really wouldn't be an issue. Majority of those in here have tried to be very nice in responding to you. There were a few that weren't, yes, but you also fueled that fire...

All you ppl are doing is debating my comments. You aren't listening and understanding. Every time I comment you twist to mean something that I'm not saying. That's not being nice. That's being rude. You're ignoring my comments by claiming it's irrelevant.

[Freyyy]

All you ppl are doing is debating my comments. You aren't listening and understanding. Every time I comment you twist to mean something that I'm not saying. That's not being nice. That's being rude. You're ignoring my comments by claiming it's irrelevant.

Because it is irrelevant. It's as simple as that.

[Pileus_Storm]

Because it is irrelevant. It's as simple as that.

I guess it is after you ppl influenced the change in this game... It's only irrelevant for ppl who didn't care about the dynamics of this game and just wanted things to be simple. It's rude to say someone's opinion is irrelevant and it's funny how all of you are teaming up on me to defuse my point ove view. SMH W.A.P.

[Freyyy]

I guess it is after you ppl influenced the change in this game... It's only irrelevant for ppl who didn't care about the dynamics of this game and just wanted things to be simple. It's rude to say someone's opinion is irrelevant.

When someone's opinion goes completely against what has been proved to be the very truth, it is irrelevant. Even when DEX did affect block and parry, it was so, SO weak, and scaled SO poorly that it made almost NO difference at all. Believing so strongly that it did make so much of a difference that wearing DEX jewelry was a viable gearing decision vs STR or VIT is bullshitting yourself in a pretty brutal way. They just deleted an already useless feature. People here are trying to make you understand that, but you keep rejecting all the arguments in a very inappropriate way without really trying to understand the truth. THIS is rude and makes you look bad, thus making people react rude with you like I did.

[Pileus_Storm]

So you're reiterating someone else's theory and not your own. Never done it yourself. LMAOLAMF

[Sapphidia]

So you're reiterating someone else's theory and not your own. Never done it yourself. LMAOLAMF

There were many studies done into the relative effect of Dexterity on block and parry rates. The rate at which 1 point of Dexterity increased your block and parry was -tiny-. Going full Dex in every available slot back in 2.0 would have had only a small percentage increase in boost to the relative rate.

You can't say "well I did it and it worked" because you can't argue with the maths. You could tank instances in leather or cloth armor and not die and say "it worked" but everyone knows plate would be better. Yes, I'm sure you probably did tank with full Dex and blocked 4-5% more hits than someone else, but at the cost of less damage or less block amount or less vitality. It's small tradeoffs, and the maths very much said that the boost to efficiency from stacking Dex over just about ANY other stat was almost negligible.

There's nothing more to say. Dex stacking was bad. Well done if you managed to tank fine with dex everywhere, and I fully understand the desire to want to be different and want to specialise your paladin into mitigation... but the maths on the amount that Dexterity boosted the mitigation rate just made it awful. Yes, in socketable armor where the Str and Vit were maxed out, Dex was the only primary stat you could socket, but Crit and Det both would have been available in these slots and would make a bigger impact.

Fact is : if you'd swapped out all that Dex for Crit, or Det, or anything, you would have had basically the same survivability but done noticeably more damage. You were needlessly nerfing your own performance but you can't see this because you assume that "it worked" therefore your way was fine. It wasnt. Dex was always, ALWAYS, a terrible stat to stack. It increased your block and parry, yes, but by such a teeny tiny amount it was never worth it.

Shame really, as I wish it was. I'd have loved to be a mass-blocking Dex tank if it actually mattered. You're living in a fantasy world though if you honestly think it did.

Also what the hell happened to this thread, it was a mild musing about Shield Swipe at the start of 3.0 until it was necroed into this overt trollfest of terrible recommendations.