I don't want to tank dungeons anymore...

[Fyce]

ITT: DPS and Healers thinking they are good and complaining about bad DF Tanks slowing them down on an occasional basis.
Not ITT: Good Tanks complaining about bad DF DPS and Healers slowing them down on a daily basis.

Hello double standard.

There is an average skill level. Some people are above, some people are below, that's how you make an average in the first place. I know, mind blowing. There's even terrible players sometimes, no matter the job. What a shock!
So, yeah, there are below average players and some of your runs will be slower than what you would like them to as a result.

So grow some patience and deal with it, or go play one-player games.

[Leigaon]

My point is I should be the one getting them and not the others just because they want ultra fast clear. I like taking time and not having a cluster hell in front of me. Why people needs to always be super fast with everythings and not actually enjoy the game? Playing a game or a MMO shouldn't be at any time a chore.

Of course you should be the one getting them, as the tank you should be the one who tells the mobs "Look at me!" then proceed to wow them with your fan dance.

Still, the party, clearing..it's all an entire process. Someone in one of the pages mentioned the word teamwork. That's about what it comes down to, but each person provides something to the process of winning. Just remember teamwork is the combined actions of a set of people, but the goal is to make it the most effective and efficient way possible. This means a tank taking on more, or a DPS not pulling those mobs. People seem to only remember the parts that benefit them it seems. Speeding up, or slowing down..accepting that someone might not have the iLV or is comfortable enough to pull a ton of monsters. These types of things we deal with not in the game but in real life where we have to rely on other people and make adjustments depending on who we are working with. Then again I believe people act out in this game because they can't elsewhere, in terms of being so nasty and disrespectful to people.

DPS and healers who are pulling need to know why are you aren't pulling as much as they'd like, whether you do not want to or just are not comfortable with it. If they argue then that's fine. Most of these people play way too much, they're burnt out and that causes stress. Now others do have a set period of time, they have x amount until an event and won't get it done later, but that's a person by person thing.

If they are pushy and really want you to, then what you do is up to you. I will sometimes give them what they want, sometimes it works out sometimes it fails and they've said "No more big pulls."

The tank is the front of the party machine, the bottlenecks it sets from there set the rest of the pace. Maybe you don't feel the party make up is correct for large pulls, and is too much stress on the healer? Maybe the healer is new and you don't think has the gear to withstand large pulls.

[KingOfAbyss]

This whole notion that only people who play tanks get any say in the matter annoys the heck out of me, as well as the reply I've seen in this thread again and again: "Tank it yourself if you know so much better."
No.
It has nothing to do with the community, when I DO tank I actually have very enjoyable experiences 99% of the time. I just don't enjoy it. It's a playstyle that makes me uncomfortable (partially because I hate getting hit, partially because I hate having to rely on others to survive). That does NOT mean I shouldn't get any say in how our party runs the dungeon when I play as healer or dps. My voice matters just as much as everyone else's and if most people in the party, regardless of their job, want a faster run, AND it is possible without wiping, then it's the tank's job to go with that majority.

It's the same with healers dpsing. Yeah, I COULD stand around and do nothing 70% of the dungeon run, because there is no need to heal more often than that. But to let everyone have an enjoyable experience, I dps whenever I have the leeway to do so. Not doing so would be selfish. Tanks who slow the party down even when they could easily go faster are just as selfishly lazy as healers who refuse to dps. The only difference is that people let tanks get away with it because they are so rare that most people rather stick with a lazy or bad tank than to kick him and risk not getting a new one for half an hour, which of course reinforces that undesirable behaviour.

We have different point of view. I play to kill mobs. For me, even one-on-one encounter trash, he's a NPC worth killing. Not sadistic, but if you take your time, killing it, he fought for his convictions until his last breath, for me it's worth it.

For others, it's just a game of numbers. (time included)

Everyone have their preferences. SE should merge servers to fit each preferences. Everyone would be happy and stick with the game for years to come.

Utopia isn't it? Then we have to suck it up and tag along others that are different than us.

[Adylala]

I remember the first time I tanked in this game. I had never tanked in any other MMO. My first dungeon went horrible. I couldn't hold hate and I didn't have shield throw. My party was not kind and I spent a lot of time reading forums and such to learn how to tank. Oh well, now I've played every class and have an idea on how ever class should ideally be played.

I am sorry for hear your problem, But we all had a first time for everything. I don"t understand those people who harass the new one with green flower. Too busy trying to get dat gear, Some of them see the game more than a game for "X" reasons.

In real life: All people seems to control themselves, they do their job and do not complain with others.
Ingame: They transform into wild humans and smash the keyboard raging all the way

[Zojha]

There is an average skill level. Some people are above, some people are below, that's how you make an average in the first place.

And the big issue some people have with that is that the average skill level is not "their" skill level, or simply too low in general.

I mean, the topic of "educating" players to make the playerbase more skilled is a forum favourite. I think people are aware of that fact, they just don't want to accept it as it is.

[KingOfAbyss]

Just as a personal side note: I would love to try tanking again, but I just don't have the thick skin for it. If the attitudes found in these forums truly carry over to the game, I'd be a wreck.

It's been ages for me, and I am pretty certain I would be one of the more cautious tanks doing smaller pulls until I got the hang of it. That's just how learning goes. The chances of me ever bringing my tank out for anyone outside of my FC is incredibly slim. I imagine there are plenty of others out there who feel the same as I do, and that's just a shame.

Kudos to all those who tank for us

As much as I would like you to join our forces, yes it's as bad as this forum makes it, sadly.

I would suggest to try it out (if PLD wait until lvl 40 to get your Shield Oath) then you'll see, somes are good, somes are bad.. but everyone complaints, but still goes into roulettes because.. that's where the tomes are.

Have fun in the game!

[Fenral]

I just think it's hilarious that all the arguments in this thread against the tank determining the size of pulls not only assume that big pulls are always 100% guaranteed to be faster (they aren't; do small pulls with two melee and you'll see how much faster that can be), but also that the other two people in the party besides the tank always agree with them 100% of the time (which, since they insist on not verbally communicating, is impossible to prove).

[Khanscott]

You tank, you spank... simple enough concept, don't see the issue here. If life happens, you simply pull the stray mob to the tank. This is rocket science people! :P On the other hand, I don't do Ex roulette with the reasonable expectation of clearing Fractal in 5 minutes or less. As long as the tank has some spine, and brains to match, about him/her, I don't mind following the tank. Slow run via smaller pulls is better than wiping to a legion of mobs plus pulling the boss at the same time.

[KingOfAbyss]

I just think it's hilarious that all the arguments in this thread against the tank determining the size of pulls not only assume that big pulls are always 100% guaranteed to be faster (they aren't; do small pulls with two melee and you'll see how much faster that can be), but also that the other two people in the party besides the tank always agree with them 100% of the time (which, since they insist on not verbally communicating, is impossible to prove).

^ This in bold. Even faster if they both focus on the same one!

[Cylestea]

Yup I agree, I've seen it myself.. I'm ashamed of those Tanks, hopefully never crossing paths again.

When I get into an instance, I stick to it unless it's OBVIOUS we won't make it, or.. a real-life issues, which is about 1% chances? And I'm sure I'm far from being unique.

We have every type of people in here; some TANKs just don't care about others, some Healers, some DPS..

agreed if i get a dungeon or trial i dont like i just suck it up saying its just a random lets just get it then then ill hard que for more tombs later. i just wanan smash my head when i get AV or CC in my random but i suck it up and go on with it