I don't want to tank dungeons anymore...

[KingOfAbyss]

Funny we should talk about holding groups "hostages."

One of the bigger changes to DF, overtime, was increasing the penalty to leaving/withdrawing, was due to a great number of tanks leaving just because they're not satisfied with the dungeons that get rolled out. This was very problematic when the original Pharos Sirius came out.. 7 times out of 10, the tank would just up and leave when they land that place. This situation repeated when Steps of Faith would come out and it would frequently turns up in trial roulette, and what do tanks do? "Lol. I'm the tank, I'm rare, I don't have to do this." *leaves duty*.

Yup I agree, I've seen it myself.. I'm ashamed of those Tanks, hopefully never crossing paths again.

When I get into an instance, I stick to it unless it's OBVIOUS we won't make it, or.. a real-life issues, which is about 1% chances? And I'm sure I'm far from being unique.

We have every type of people in here; some TANKs just don't care about others, some Healers, some DPS..

[Cylestea]

Yup I agree, I've seen it myself.. I'm ashamed of those Tanks, hopefully never crossing paths again.

When I get into an instance, I stick to it unless it's OBVIOUS we won't make it, or.. a real-life issues, which is about 1% chances? And I'm sure I'm far from being unique.

We have every type of people in here; some TANKs just don't care about others, some Healers, some DPS..

agreed if i get a dungeon or trial i dont like i just suck it up saying its just a random lets just get it then then ill hard que for more tombs later. i just wanan smash my head when i get AV or CC in my random but i suck it up and go on with it

[Atoli]

This whole notion that only people who play tanks get any say in the matter annoys the heck out of me, as well as the reply I've seen in this thread again and again: "Tank it yourself if you know so much better."
No.
It has nothing to do with the community, when I DO tank I actually have very enjoyable experiences 99% of the time. I just don't enjoy it. It's a playstyle that makes me uncomfortable (partially because I hate getting hit, partially because I hate having to rely on others to survive). That does NOT mean I shouldn't get any say in how our party runs the dungeon when I play as healer or dps. My voice matters just as much as everyone else's and if most people in the party, regardless of their job, want a faster run, AND it is possible without wiping, then it's the tank's job to go with that majority.

It's the same with healers dpsing. Yeah, I COULD stand around and do nothing 70% of the dungeon run, because there is no need to heal more often than that. But to let everyone have an enjoyable experience, I dps whenever I have the leeway to do so. Not doing so would be selfish. Tanks who slow the party down even when they could easily go faster are just as selfishly lazy as healers who refuse to dps. The only difference is that people let tanks get away with it because they are so rare that most people rather stick with a lazy or bad tank than to kick him and risk not getting a new one for half an hour, which of course reinforces that undesirable behaviour.

[KingOfAbyss]

This whole notion that only people who play tanks get any say in the matter annoys the heck out of me, as well as the reply I've seen in this thread again and again: "Tank it yourself if you know so much better."
No.
It has nothing to do with the community, when I DO tank I actually have very enjoyable experiences 99% of the time. I just don't enjoy it. It's a playstyle that makes me uncomfortable (partially because I hate getting hit, partially because I hate having to rely on others to survive). That does NOT mean I shouldn't get any say in how our party runs the dungeon when I play as healer or dps. My voice matters just as much as everyone else's and if most people in the party, regardless of their job, want a faster run, AND it is possible without wiping, then it's the tank's job to go with that majority.

It's the same with healers dpsing. Yeah, I COULD stand around and do nothing 70% of the dungeon run, because there is no need to heal more often than that. But to let everyone have an enjoyable experience, I dps whenever I have the leeway to do so. Not doing so would be selfish. Tanks who slow the party down even when they could easily go faster are just as selfishly lazy as healers who refuse to dps. The only difference is that people let tanks get away with it because they are so rare that most people rather stick with a lazy or bad tank than to kick him and risk not getting a new one for half an hour, which of course reinforces that undesirable behaviour.

We have different point of view. I play to kill mobs. For me, even one-on-one encounter trash, he's a NPC worth killing. Not sadistic, but if you take your time, killing it, he fought for his convictions until his last breath, for me it's worth it.

For others, it's just a game of numbers. (time included)

Everyone have their preferences. SE should merge servers to fit each preferences. Everyone would be happy and stick with the game for years to come.

Utopia isn't it? Then we have to suck it up and tag along others that are different than us.

[Zenji]

Ok let's be honest though. I'm all for normal paced dungeon running, but when you have a tank that takes forever to pull a mobs and bosses, it gets extremely annoying. Good tanks and partys could clear dungeons no problem without stalling after every single pull. There's no need for that.

[Zojha]

I think it's time to revamp that very first guildhest you get: "Enemy groups".

Instead of having two groups and telling people to take them one at a time, fill the entire room with groups and have the Battlewarden go:"We wanna get out of here ASAP so take them all on at once. You have ten seconds before I lose my patience with you."

Then have the ten second timer run down in an overly dramatic way right in the middle of the screen and "end" the guildhest with a failure if you don't have all mobs picked up.

[Atoli]

A tank who is keeping hate, but pulling at a slower pace is doing their job. That's the bottom line.

Why should we tolerate tanks that do the bare minimum when we do not accept dps and healers doing the bare minimum?
The infamous "ice mage" is also doing his job, dealing dmg. The dmg is indefinitely lower than what a BLM could put out, but technically, he's still doing what a dps is supposed to do.
Yet most of the community rages about players like that and would not put up with such behaviour. Why is it acceptable for a tank to only do the bare minimum of holding threat on a small group of monsters?
Once again, it boils down to the "but we have few tanks!"-privilege.

Then have the ten second timer run down in an overly dramatic way right in the middle of the screen and "end" the guildhest with a failure if you don't have all mobs picked up.

God forbid we have low-level content that actually challenges players to play their roles..xD

[Skivvy]

Why should we tolerate tanks that do the bare minimum when we do not accept dps and healers doing the bare minimum?
The infamous "ice mage" is also doing his job, dealing dmg. The dmg is indefinitely lower than what a BLM could put out, but technically, he's still doing what a dps is supposed to do.
Yet most of the community rages about players like that and would not put up with such behaviour. Why is it acceptable for a tank to only do the bare minimum of holding threat on a small group of monsters?
Once again, it boils down to the "but we have few tanks!"-privilege.

My comments should be taken within the context of the thread. People are complaining about slow tanks. If a tank is holding hate on each pull, that is his job. His job is not to do speed-run sized pulls. If he wants to, and the group can manage, cool. But speed-runs should not be an expectation of a tank. There are plenty of reasons why a tank may only pull a single set at a time.

I'm so tired of having the infamous "ice mage" argument brought up. "Lets bring in this miniscule subset of players and use them as a valid argument!" Nope. When ice mages become mainstream, then maybe we can have that conversation.

[Cylestea]

Simple way to solve this if you want speed runs do Party finder. if not dont complain what you get in roulette its up to the tank to choose pulling speed. what if the tank is a fresh 60 and needs gear still? they will get rekted pulling to much at once cause dps is RUSH RUSH RUSH

[Adylala]

Haha. This reminders me the first dungeon I did as a healer. I didn"t know what to do, I didn"t know what tanks and dps mean as well. I was just like aggroing all and then I was asking why I always die. But my party were kind and explained to me. After that everything went well ♥