I don't want to tank dungeons anymore...

[Malevicton]

Not quite. If people want me to go slower I will do so. And they are free to leave instead of votekicking, if they prefer that. Not 'my way' so much as setting an upper limit to the speed.

So... your way. But with minor semantic differences. But at the end of the day, if they don't wanna play how you like, then it comes down to votekick or just acquiesce to what you want to do, because you'll refuse to accommodate theirs.

People who cannot handle that are not people I would want to play with anyway.

You're playing with strangers. If you want to only play with like-minded people, there's a tool for that, and it's not called duty finder.

[Noxifer]

So... your way. But with minor semantic differences. But at the end of the day, if they don't wanna play how you like, then it comes down to votekick or just acquiesce to what you want to do, because you'll refuse to accommodate theirs.

It's not always a matter of want, though. MistakeNot isn't saying s/he's going slowly, just that s/he's not going to be forced to go faster than the pace s/he is comfortable tanking. Saying that equals "my way or the highway" is the same as saying to the healer that because they don't want speedruns because they can't keep up, they're forcing others to play their way or get lost.
Yes, in a way it is, but it's a matter of "this is doable" vs "this is not doable". If a tank pulls faster than s/he can handle, you're heading for a wipe. Certainly, many tanks are cautious and don't necessarily know how much they can handle, but forcing said tank to pull faster by running ahead instead of asking is not the right way to push them to stretch their limits ^^;

[Malevicton]

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Communication is indeed key, but if people ask for bigger pulls and you refuse then you're being inconsiderate.

you can do slow pulls without ever using a heal. No one is incapable of pulling more than 1 group at a time. By 60 if you haven't figured out how to hold hate and use cooldowns, then you're doing something very very wrong, and you should work on that instead of just throwing up your hands, giving up on getting better, and inconveniencing every group you ever get.

You don't need to pull everything, but there's honestly no reason to pull one group at a time. Y'all can keep coming up with whatever excuses you want, but at the end of the day it's just laziness or bad play. And neither of those things are your group's fault.

[Fenral]

Communication is indeed key, but if people ask for bigger pulls and you refuse then you're being inconsiderate.

Each time I get in heavensward's dungeons, a dps or more ofter the healer (yeah the healer) just go foward and pull the mobs before me. I tell them not to, they get mad and start blabbering things like he doesn't have time for this and I should be pulling more. I am not a bad tank, in fact, I usually don't have issue with more bobs at once.

You don't need to pull everything, but there's honestly no reason to pull one group at a time. Y'all can keep coming up with whatever excuses you want, but at the end of the day it's just laziness or bad play. And neither of those things are your group's fault.

Please actually read the first post, understand the topic, and for the love of effing god, stop trying to turn this discussion into "big pulls are always objectively right or you're just bad." That's not even the issue being discussed.

The problem is people besides the tank trying to set the pace without communicating. People who communicate can sort things out and come to terms, and you may be surprised that a mutually agreed-upon pace does, in fact, lead to a smoother and faster run than just assuming bigger is always better.

[Malevicton]

Please actually read the first post, understand the topic, and for the love of effing god, stop trying to turn this discussion into "big pulls are always objectively right or you're just bad." That's not even the issue being discussed.

The problem is people besides the tank trying to set the pace without communicating. People who communicate can sort things out and come to terms, and you may be surprised that a mutually agreed-upon pace does, in fact, lead to a smoother and faster run than just assuming bigger is always better.

It's almost like discussions can evolve :P

But fine, back to original topic? If your healer pulls, just pick it up. Your healer knows what he can or can't heal. If they pick up more mobs, then the problem is that you didn't beat them to it.

[HalfLegend]

It's almost like discussions can evolve :P

But fine, back to original topic? If your healer pulls, just pick it up. Your healer knows what he can or can't heal. If they pick up more mobs, then the problem is that you didn't beat them to it.

And the tank doesn't know? Making again a lot of assumption here again. In the case of another tank, let's say one that isn't used to tanking still and doesn't use is CD often, the healer is not in any place to determine in is place that he can tank ''this amount''.

In all of this, I am just against healer/dps going really far (Like 100 yalms aways) to get trash that I would eventually get as soon I finish most mob. I would probably start aggroing them once the last one is at like 10-15%.

[Malevicton]

And the tank doesn't know? Making again a lot of assumption here again. In the case of another tank, let's say one that isn't used to tanking still and doesn't use is CD often, the healer is not in any place to determine in is place that he can tank ''this amount''.

In all of this, I am just against healer/dps going really far (Like 100 yalms aways) to get trash that I would eventually get as soon I finish most mob. I would probably start aggroing them once the last one is at like 10-15%.

Isn't used to tanking by 60? Then they should work on that first and foremost. You're not making less assumptions than me, you're just making the opposite assumptions.

And the healer can still make that call. If I'm on whm and a scrub tank with no cooldowns does big pulls, it means a couple less holy's worst case. The healer knows how much they can heal. I've been there many times, and you're really overestimating the difficulty.

It can still be annoying when someone else pulls for you, but "I don't want to tank dungeons anymore..." really? It's worth an eye roll, and then you should've just thrown out an unleash and moved on.

[Darkshade]

"big pulls are always objectively right or you're just bad."

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