I don't want to tank dungeons anymore...

[Inferiae]

I hate slow tanks as much as you hate DPS pullers, so there's that.

Although I won't pull more than what the tank is pulling, if he takes 5 minutes in between every pull, I will indeed pull.

[Craiger]

I'm on both sides on this topic actually...

Should anyone else other than the tank pull mobs? No, that's not very nice...

Should the tank pull more if they are geared enough and the healer is able to handle it? Yes...

You're talking about enjoying the dungeons rather than just speeding through it, but everyone who have played since Heavensward came out, started out going slow in the dungeons, then you get bored with the dungeons and just want to get them done.

We're running the same 2 dungeons over and over, and most players just want to get it over with... So if a tank can take more mobs, then I get annoyed if they don't.

The tank doesn't even have to hold aggro very well (not saying you can't), cause I have aggro on the mobs a lot during most runs (I'm a MNK).


So to summarize: It's rude to pull mobs before the tank, but it's rude of the tank to not try and speed up the run too. Ofc DPS can slow down by not doing good DPS too for example, but if you don't pull enough, you're not even giving them the chance to pump out more damage.

I never pull before the tank btw

[Kuzonoha]

I'm still a pretty beginner tank, but if I wait a few seconds before each pull it's mostly to let the party catch up to me, for the healer to recover MP, or for me to recover my TP/MP so I can tank smoothly.

I ran into this issue before, but like others have said, if people want to act like they're a tank, let them tank. Sit back and let then do what they think their job is. Not only that, but as a healer, I wouldn't heal them because they really need to learn their place. The thing about DPS too is that the majority of times, you can kick them and get an instant replacement.

If they deny the kick, just leave. You'll save yourself the trouble and they will have to wait longer for another tank than you l'll have to wait for another party.

People don't respect the roles of other classes, or simply don't understand. :/

[Kit-Kat]

If you take too long to pull and dpsers have buffs/stacks up from previous fight and you make them lose it, they'll probably try to pull before it happens to give them a good use. I sometimes had slow tanks when I was queueing as summoner, losing my 3 stacks from the previous fight to get dread stance and it's as annoying as dps pulling a mob before tank does it, I guess monks could relate aswell. Also most people don't really enjoy these dungeons anymore, they've done it countless times because its part of the grind. That said, I do agree with someone in the thread saying that the least you could do is ask/give advice before you just go in full jerk mode pulling mobs before the tank does.

[Malevicton]

I love how the "let them die" advice always assumes the healer goes along with your plan too. Because if not they're just gonna keep going and be fine while you sit there and pout. Tanks are just a luxury if you're doing small pulls.

People complain about diva tanks, but then whenever a tank has a problem it's all "you're the most important person!" "make them learn their place" "hold the group hostage til they do things your way" yadayada. So if you guys really wanna curb the diva tanks, stop telling them to be divas. People pulled extra mobs? Pick them up like a freakin tank! Just go boss mode on those mobs and make your group regret ever doubting you.

If this happens as often as you claim, then I gotta assume you're going really slow.

[Yshnal]

My policy is as simple as this: If for some reason I ask you a couple of times to stop pulling and you pull again, I'll let you tank and I'll watch you waste more time (if the healer has to heal you instead of me, that's less dps s/he does). And if you don't like it, then come as a tank job and do it however you want.

I've said it many times. The tank is the one that should decide how much s/he wants to pull based not just on their gear, the healer, and the dps (quality and composition), but also on how comfortable s/he is with the role.

Mind you, when I tank and the party can handle it I pull everything on sight. But I find it rude to see people playing other roles trying to force the tanks on how and what they have to do. If said tank is positioning correctly, uses his/her CDs properly, and keeps a good pace (good doesn't mean speedrunning), who cares about how many packs s/he pulls at once. S/he is doing his/her job, and everything else is just a matter of opinion and preference so, as I said, if you don't like it and want to be rude about it, just leave, change to a tank job and do as you like. Otherwise just shut up and concentrate on healing & dpsing (or stop complaining about the lack of tanks on the DF).

Not to mention that if you end up forcing a wipe you'll make everyone waste more time. You, not the tank (or the healer, if s/he didn't pull).

[Ashkendor]

S/he is doing his/her job, and everything else is just a matter of opinion and preference so, as I said, if you don't like it and want to be rude about it, just leave, change to a tank job and do as you like. Otherwise just shut up and concentrate on healing & dpsing (or stop complaining about the lack of tanks on the DF).

Yeah, this is what gets me about it. People (understandably, mind you) complain about the lack of tanks queueing up in Duty Finder, but then the ones we have get treated like utter trash way too often. It's seriously offputting when people do things like this, and I for one don't want to see new tanks quit the role or even quit the game altogether because of a few bad apples. I know I've mostly stopped solo queueing as tank because of some of the crap people have pulled. I'd sooner queue as DPS and alt tab to watch Youtube or just wait a few hours and run Expert Roulette with friends that I know are gonna be actually fun to run with.

[Fenral]

TL;DR - if you want the tank to do something differently, try just freakin asking them like a civilized human being. -.-

You are everything that is wrong with this community. People don't need to communicate in an MMO as stupidly easy as this one. Individuals don't have their own needs or preferences; that's just an excuse to be bad. There's precisely one and only one dominant strategy and everyone should know it already and do it without wasting my precious time with their "communication." Or just get the hell off my lawn and go back to the kiddie pool. Sheesh.

/satire
(You're still my hero, Ashkendor.)

[PArcher]

Basically, if people start pulling more mobs than I'm tanking, first I'll warn them to stop. Sometimes accidental pulls happen.

But if they keep doing it, then they get to keep the mobs.

Normally, i don't get people complaining about my pacing; I've tanked so much I've become a very good judge of what the party can handle just by looking at party comp and gear, and use the first pull as a gauge of party skill. But occasionally, I get people asking to pull more, and if I know its only going to slow the run down (we have a MNK and NIN, Healer is barely healing, SMN isn't Baning, that i206 BLM has no idea what Fire II is...) I'm not doing it. It is rare that people ask me to slow down, though.

[DefendPopPunk]

Had this happen to me the other night. I just left. They get a new tank that might not mind it, and I go do something else and hopefully have better luck with the next group. It just surprises me when I see people that have leveled tank jobs do it to me since they should probably know better that things usually go smoother when the tank pulls.