Savage Clear rate being lower the Devs expected, good or a bad thing?

[Magis]

Yeah, we were able to clear all of coil sans third party tools. T7 was as simple as watching the buffs and calling em out if someone was taking too long.

Third party tools are a crutch, and worse; keep bad players from learning good habits because the software did things for them.

The exception may be parsers for DDs to see if they aren't pumping out enough damage, but I'm more talking about triggers.

[melisande]

By your logic, any sort of voice chat is also a 3rd party app ban-worthy. Get real.

No that is not by my logic, that you assume. communication in a party, whether it be over voice chat, or in party chat, is playing the game as intended. Using a third party tool that reads the games memory however, is not.

Carry on now.

[rappa]

And for you to deny that those triggers are a crutch is a fallacy. Enjoy living in your third party gung-ho world, that came from WoW, GW2, or something of the like because FF has discouraged the use of any third party, and the devs left out a parser for a reason.

And NO, I killed ADS long before people were even exploiting the enrage strategy. Thanks for the assumption though. I still feel bad you openly admit to using triggers, talk about a bad player. Ever heard of Focus Target?

And know you are doing assumption on my playstyle or what game i played.

Do you know FF doesn't want a third program or addons? Because PS3 and PS4 can't handle.
I use focus target my smart friend. But is a blunder in 2015, 2 years after FFXIV:ARR was released, you are unable to track dots in your focus target because reason. It's hard to place your dots in the list and not 5 randoms?

I think you forget what game are you playing. FFXIV is a mmo, nor a shooter, nor a RTS, it's a mmo, when timers to kill objectives, messures to check dps, damage, heals and others data are necessary.

No that is not by my logic, that you assume. COMMUNICATION in a party, whether it be over voice chat, or in party chat, is not the same as a THIRD PARTY TOOL calling out the moves.

Carry on now.

Then a Raid Leader calling boss abilities would be consider cheating? He is calling out the moves too.

Sorry i cheated Titan hm in 2.0, my raid leader had a cheat sheet with all titan hm abilities and he called when he would do.

BTW: Other blunder, can't track CDs timer without hover the mouse and look the tooltip. That would be a great QoL.

[Kuwagami]

No that is not by my logic, that you assume. COMMUNICATION in a party, whether it be over voice chat, or in party chat, is not the same as a THIRD PARTY TOOL calling out the moves.

Carry on now.

ok so just a thing :

FF has discouraged the use of any third party

here goes. 3rd party tools are just what their name implies : tools that aren't provided by the game. As such, any form of communication not going on through the in-game text-only chat is done by using a third party app.

and is worthy of a ban. It doesn't matter whether it calls abilities, let you float 20 yalms above the arena, parses numbers automatically so that you don't have to do it manually in 300k lines of combat text, or just eases your communication, a 3rd party app is a 3rd party app right ?


Also, just so you know, you won't be punished for the use of a parser, or an ability caller or anything. Heck, people aren't even punished for external macros spamming the auto-facing target command to cheat in PvP.

You'll be punished if you use 3rd party apps to blatantly break the game (such as going through walls to bug bosses) or to flame other players (though this is highly objective. You'll most likely get the hammer even if you just call out someone clearly under-performing, even if you don't flame them).

Any other use of 3rd party tools is fine and fair game.


just to back up my claims :

Activities that destroy game balance
Activities that destroy game balance
Using third party programs or tools in FINAL FANTASY XIV is strictly prohibited since they allow users to gain an unfair advantage over other players. The use of programs or tools within FINAL FANTASY XIV that allow certain continuous actions to be performed automatically are often referred to as absentee play, which is also prohibited in FINAL FANTASY XIV. Additionally, during the course of an absentee play investigation, players may be requested to respond to or comply with a GMs instruction. Failure to do so is consider a violation and may result in disciplinary action being taken against the account.

The following activities are also prohibited in FINAL FANTASY XIV.
•Modifying, analyzing, integrating and reverse engineering game data
•Utility creation and distribution
•Exploiting SQUARE ENIX programming that does not run as intended to gain profit or damage other players

source

forgetting the obvious part about botting (absentee play), we can see that ANY 3rd party app is forbidden (so all voice chats, parsers, blah blah, blah. Creation and use of those apps is ban-worthy), as well as reverse engineering (bye bye all theory crafters on damage formulas. Noone has ever the right to know if determination is worth more than critical rate), and (not present here but in the user agreement) and Datamining.

But well, thing is... the only thing they ever punished was botting. And not always. Some bots are still running since day 1.

[enthauptet]

ok so just a thing :



here goes. 3rd party tools are just what their name implies : tools that aren't provided by the game. As such, any form of communication not going on through the in-game text-only chat is done by using a third party app.

and is worthy of a ban. It doesn't matter whether it calls abilities, let you float 20 yalms above the arena, parses numbers automatically so that you don't have to do it manually in 300k lines of combat text, or just eases your communication, a 3rd party app is a 3rd party app right ?


Any other use of 3rd party tools is fine and fair game.

playstation has built-in communication tools you can't argue that voice communication is 3rd party because it is directly supported by the first party developer of the console itself

[melisande]

^ This. Communication with your party is playing the game as intended, and using ACT triggers is not, which is what i stated.

[Martin_Arcainess]

playstation has built-in communication tools you can't argue that voice communication is 3rd party because it is directly supported by the first party developer of the console itself

I think he means for PC players.

[Fawkes]

It shouldn't be a problem for savage clear rates to be low. I thought the point of making the easy version was so people who can't or don't want to do savage still get to do something, unlike coil where SE spent time and money making areas and fights that only like 15% of the players were clearing. If anything they should make savage worse to clear so the people who want something hard can toil away in there forever.

[Kuwagami]

playstation has built-in communication tools you can't argue that voice communication is 3rd party because it is directly supported by the first party developer of the console itself

just re-quoting it for the argument's purpose :

Using third party programs or tools in FINAL FANTASY XIV is strictly prohibited since they allow users to gain an unfair advantage over other players.

This PS4 voice chat provides an unfair advantage over PC players, blah blah blah... See where it's going ?

If anything, you just proved my point : talking about non game-breaking tools as if they were a plague is dumb.

^ This. Communication with your party is playing the game as intended, and using ACT triggers is not, which is what i stated.

No. The game provides you a text chat, not a voice chat. Using a voice chat is (on paper) the same as using an automatic ability caller when you could do it with pen, paper and a chronometer.

In both cases, you're not using what the game provides but rather an external application. You can't nitpick what is good and what is bad based on what you're personally using.

It shouldn't be a problem for savage clear rates to be low. I thought the point of making the easy version was so people who can't or don't want to do savage still get to do something, unlike coil where SE spent time and money making areas and fights that only like 15% of the players were clearing. If anything they should make savage worse to clear so the people who want something hard can toil away in there forever.

serious question : If SE wasn't satisfied with content only 15% of players would ever see, why did they shrunk that percentage down to 1% ? Seems the worst possible decision here.

I mean, story mode was fine, but why the heck would they wreck what was fine ?

[melisande]

just re-quoting it for the argument's purpose :

No. The game provides you a text chat, not a voice chat. Using a voice chat is (on paper) the same as using an automatic ability caller when you could do it with pen, paper and a chronometer.

In both cases, you're not using what the game provides but rather an external application. You can't nitpick what is good and what is bad based on what you're personally using.

You can actually, pick what is good or bad simply by reading the TOS, which you should. External Voice Chat applications are not a third party application in violation of the TOS. ACT however, is, because specifically, it reads the games memory.