JP server player is calling us out. Step up, NA endgamers.

[Toguro]

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Oh yeah. I honestly did forget that type of PF. The thing is, those don't work because of the same thing you hit me with. People don't join learning PFs because they want to win. If they do join, they leave because they can't win. Learning parties can take foreeeevvvver to get going then they die after 2 wipes after wiping in 1min. If they last that long. Thats why there aren't many of them. Same with Ex Primals. I reeeaally think it's because everything is stuck to PF. ALot of people don't use PF. I made a thread on the Gamefaqs once and it got nicely turned down by people who repeatedly said "People wouldn't beat it anyway".

There's a reason why the PF isn't absolutely filled with learning parties. It should be. If everyone's trying to learn it.

Perhaps, a lack of trust of others...?

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Alexander savage is the actual challenge and i don't remember the exactly percent but i read about 5% community cleared savage. Disheartening.


SE promoted the lack of interest on Raid scene. back to 2.2, Second Coil is released, best gear is 110 and soldiery items are 100. Three months after SCOB, they inserted Hunts and players who didn't put a step in SCOB got better gear than raiders, with bad lucks or they had to share upgrade items between party members, with zero effort. Just join a party, push 3 buttons and win. SE repeated the same formula in 2.5, the community learned and they though -"i gonna waste my time doing FCOB? Nah i just wait three months, wait for hunts and echo and try to faceroll the raid".

With Savage, SE tried to get a better raid scene, but the most part of the community were not prepared. Partys were unable to kill faust before enrage, unable to kill Oppresor and 0.5 before enrage and still a3S is the most hard fight, IMHO a3s > a4s with cheese.

I like Wildstar system to complete dungeons:
In time and objectives? Gold. => More Tomes, high % Random item / minion drop or materia
Objectives but out of time? Silver. => More tomes low % Random item / minion drop or materia
Just complete the dungeon? Bronze. => Same reward

PS: 1000 words limit are killing me :/

Just cut your post to fit the 1000 word limit, then c/p it back via edit post. For whatever reason, you have unlimited words when you edit an existing post. Stupid system, really.

[BreathlessTao]

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This right here. Every single word of it.

Personally, and I know it's a bit different but - I'm stuck on Ravana Ex. I watched videos, I even read a guide - I tried to make sense of them. You know, to have that entry requirement checkmark ticked off, even though it didn't make any difference, because I had no grasp of the fight itself. I could get in one learning/clear party, and we managed to beat it down to about 20% before people had to leave. (Actually, there was one tank the second time who joined, and then when we wiped once, he left, saying he "didn't expect having to teach" or some such - even though the description clearly stated "clear party" and that it was to try and get that clear. So yeah...) It was good practice, but I still can't say I actually know the fight. And since then - nothing. I watched learning/clear parties pop up very rarely on PF, I even joined some of them - and then saw and experienced them being disbanded before being even close to full, after more than an hour (yes, being put up there several times), because nobody was joining in. Frankly, in the ocean of LFM/LFG ads that demand things like "please rate at 1.1k+ dps" and "be able to oneshot" and "no unsycned and minimum ilvl sync git guud to kill" - I applaud the bravery of those who even dare to put up ads for practice parties. And then of course all those people whine and complain about there being no "decent" tanks or healers or dps anywhere and how everyone is a "scrub" and how nobody can play their job "right"...

I don't even know why refusing to give a short summary, especially when it's known that there is at least one new person in the party, at the start of a fight is so unacceptable. Especially when there are multiple ways to do something. Everyone just expects everyone else to know everything, to be able to do it in their sleep - and then they complain when somebody isn't like that. Perhaps because that someone is new.

And this is why I also agree that it's dumb not to have something unlocked in DF. If you have friends to help you out, you join up with them anyhow; if you don't, you're joining a bunch of strangers either way. You might get the content done or you might not, both are just as likely outcomes. Not having something unlocked for solo queues in the DF does nothing at all except for alienating and locking out a good chunk of people, for no real reason - and then these same people, many of whom would be very much capable of "getting things done", are mocked and get labeled, months later when the content is question is unlocked in DF (perhaps even nerfed or echo'd) and they finally get their clears, when the truth is they just never had the opportunity.

[Toguro]

months later when the content is question is unlocked in DF (perhaps even nerfed or echo'd) and they finally get their clears, when the truth is they just never had the opportunity.

And then the part when the others who beat it before say "Well I beat it when it was hard so..."

I was unable to play through the original Steps Of Faith and I am still upset by that..

[Dualgunner]

\If they do join, they leave because they can't win. Learning parties can take foreeeevvvver to get going then they die after 2 wipes after wiping in 1min. If they last that long.

Well, I've been four learning parties for Ravana Extreme, each lasting two to three hours, all week this week. Through effort and cooperation I've made it past Final Liberation several times and hit enrage once; these both occurred in completely different learning parties across the week. Planning on being able to beat it tomorrow, got quite a few names of people willing to come back and wipe some more until we beat it.

On dead old Coeurl server.

I recognize that learning parties can be a pain but if you stick with them they will pan out eventually.

[Jamein]

Alot of players probably feel irritated that they are almost required to watch them.

I wouldn't say you are 'required' to watch them for 90% of the content in the game, only I would recommend it if you aren't the quickest at picking up mechanics, which is most of the playerbase. However for anything below Extremes/savage you can get by without watching one.

I personally hate watching videos and never watched another after I watched a T5 video and learned nothing. It's like studying for a test. And studying doesn't work for me. I just go in. I ask for a run-down inside. I watch the mechanics happen and I grasp it the first time. Now I know everyone isn't like me but, I can only clear stuff like that because they're in DF.

This is where I have a problem with the playerbase right now and the whole 'BUT THE COMMUNITY SHOULD TEACH US' concept. If you aren't willing to go watch a video when you want to go into the END GAME content, then honestly I don't want you to even be in my party. I am more than happy to help give you tips/help/explanations as to how to handle the mechanics better but if you can't even be bothered to at least go find out the mechanics beforehand from a quick 5 minute video then you waltz in expecting the party to give you a rundown then that's just a shocking attitude to take. You're playing in end game with 7 other people.

For example, T9. Do you honestly expect me to explain that entire fight in party chat? Seriously? A video would have given you a basic understanding of the mechanics and what happens and why, not asking you to watch it 500 times to memorise the rotation here but I want you to have SOME idea of where to be for lunar dynamo, or thermionic beam, or why you have to rotate fire in/out or meteor placements. I'll happily explain the 3/3/2 or go show you where to stand but I don't want to have to explain what EVERY mechanic does when it's already out there for you to watch while your waiting for the party to form.

People are so quick to judge others for not offering help, but they aren't willing to even help themselves. Self entitled community.
That's just boss mechanics, don't even get me started on people who are unwilling to even learn the basics of their own class.

[Kat_Manx]

I remember being so mad at Titan EX pugs back in the day because nobody talked BEFORE the first death even when I told them we need to discuss things.

Then it was always something like "But MY FC always killed THIS bomb".. then off to the next party, try to kill that bomb.. nope, because "WTF that's not how you do it!" and I'm just like ughhhh..apparently the last party did. But nope, I was just "an effing n00b."

/facepalm

[Kat_Manx]

People are so quick to judge others for not offering help, but they aren't willing to even help themselves. Self entitled community.
That's just boss mechanics, don't even get me started on people who are unwilling to even learn the basics of their own class.

Sure, self-entitled for not watching a video. You are just asking someone to spoil the fun of learning, spoil what the boss is, spoil what the mechanics is, maybe even spoil seeing the story itself and possible pre and after battle cutscenes.

Not to mention if they say they won't learn from videos, what purpose would that exactly serve?

If i watch it= i learn nothing
If i don't watch it = i learn nothing

Result = same for both

So...?

People learn in different ways. It's how their brain works. Look it up.

[Toguro]

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I understand what you are saying. What I said there wasn't meant to bash people who want others to watch videos. Because videos help alot of people. But videos also don't help alot of people. When I watch a T5 video, I watched it 3 or 4 times and as soon as I got into T5 I forgot already. And every video I've watched(I watched a T9 for... "fun"), to me, they just make it sound more complex than what it really is. No matter the creator. Lots of mechanics can be explained in simple short sentences. Example: Ice and fire- I was told "Get a fire, run away. Get a ice run close". Heck that worked too.

[Jamein]

Sure, self-entitled for not watching a video. You are just asking someone to spoil the fun of learning, spoil what the boss is, spoil what the mechanics is, maybe even spoil seeing the story itself and possible pre and after battle cutscenes.

Self entitled for expecting others to explain it for you, or self entitled to go in without any prior knowledge and want to wipe on every mechanic while you learn it when 7 other people have already took the time to learn it. I'm not asking you to have 100% understanding of the fight, just a BASIC understanding of what to expect.

As for spoilers, sorry, but the majority of the playerbase does not play in that way, especially the end game raiding community, if you really want to go into an end game raid absolutely blind then fine, go make a party finder and get 7 other people willing to join to do the same thing, and call it a blind run, people do this. Do not go join another party in PF or DF expecting everyone else to play by your terms, this is why I call it self entitled, you are playing with 7 other people.

Not to mention if they say they won't learn from videos, what purpose would that exactly serve?
If i watch it= i learn nothing
If i don't watch it = i learn nothing
Result = same for both
So...?
People learn in different ways. It's how their brain works. Look it up.

I'm familiar with learning types, however you cannot tell me that you would learn NOTHING from a video, it might not teach you the entire fight it might not explain everything to you as well as actually seeing it, I am the same I pick things up properly after seeing them in the fight then improve upon my positioning to keep up DPS, but it DOES give you a basic explanation of the mechanics, unless you sit there with your fingers in yours ears not listening.