JP server player is calling us out. Step up, NA endgamers.

[Fevelle]

"requiring less heals from a healer"

With more HP you can withtstand more damage, so less need to heal.
With more mitigation you can withstand more damage too, so less need to heal.

When it comes to helping the healer, any of the two options work. Personally, when solo healing a tank, I prefer a full vit one that knows how to use cooldowns than a full str one that knows how to use cooldowns too.

[Odett]

"requiring less heals from a healer"

With more HP you can withtstand more damage, so less need to heal.
With more mitigation you can withstand more damage too, so less need to heal.

When it comes to helping the healer, any of the two options work. Personally, when solo healing a tank, I prefer a full vit one that knows how to use cooldowns than a full str one that knows how to use cooldowns too.

With more STR, you can recover HP from damage you're taking. If I tank an expert roulette boss as a WAR or DRK and there is a SCH in the group, the only healing I will need is Eos, as I can get the HP that I lose through Inner Beast, Berserk, Bloodbath, Storm's Path,Equilibrium, or Souleater. This is something I cannot do (especially as DRK) if I go full Vit, so I can tell you from personal experience that "With more HP you can withtstand more damage, so less need to heal." is a fallacy as long as you're dealing with a tank that knows what they're doing. Maybe a lot of healers would realize such things if they stopped heal bombing tanks every time they fell bellow 90% HP. I do agree with you that there are many tanks who stack STR and are complete headaches to heal because they cannot mitigate effectively, but a skilled tank using Str accessories, or a mix of STR and Vit will always outperform one who tanks in full Vit.

[Izsha]

Vit does nothing but buy time for healers. No reduction in heals needed, incoming damage, threat, or outgoing damage. There is (almost) zero benefit to excess vit. The exceptions being stoneskin, thrill of battle, bene, and 2.x lustrate (RIP) and any other hp% based abilities I forgot.The difference between 20k hp and 100 HP is the time a healer has to cure you before you die after being hit.

So if the only tangible benefit to hp (beyond surviving the min to avoid 1shot) is healer reaction time, but the benefits to str are many (dps, enmity, and hp recovery via abilities), is it any wonder that as soon as good healers found out they didn't need that 'time' afforded by extra hp that the meta swung into full dps mode?

The games actual design does not support vit. That's why they are changing it in 3.2. Don't know why everyone gets hung up on it. It's like being mad that nin doesn't do well with str gear. To bad the game design doesn't support that opinion so get over it.

[CGMidlander]

"requiring less heals from a healer"

With more HP you can withtstand more damage, so less need to heal.
With more mitigation you can withstand more damage too, so less need to heal.

When it comes to helping the healer, any of the two options work. Personally, when solo healing a tank, I prefer a full vit one that knows how to use cooldowns than a full str one that knows how to use cooldowns too.

That makes sense in theory; but in practice it's possible to have the best of both worlds ( tank w/ STR accessories and a healer that's DPSing) if the healer and tank both know what they're doing.

[gzuscry]

I've read through most of these posts and cant seem to hold off the laugh at many of you. A savage clear - i am literaly despising every bit of attitude of those who say you gotta git good on on yourself or by teaching from others. This game is legaly forbiding any use of third party software including those DPS softs. I can safely bet a million and say that absolutly none of those coil/alex clears would be cleared in the short time frame we have it now without those convenient dps counters , even these so called rotations we have now, they all are crafted out simply because of most of you use that illegal soft. Imagine coil t10-13 clear for those players blindly hitting wall on those very tight dps checks. Training dummies are nearly usless without those softs, show me one player who is doing his rotation on a dummie and studying combat log shortyly afterwards in game, given how very chaotic that combat log is. Sure theorycrafting is a thing, but reality and "tooltip" theory usualy is worlds apart. REAL TIME dps checks is what this game demands for you to get good and yet legaly they are forbidden. End of story.

[SnugglesD]

Way to go guys. Turned yet another topic with potential into the simmering cesspool of bile and feces I've come to expect from the official forums.

[hagare]

I've read through most of these posts and cant seem to hold off the laugh at many of you. A savage clear - i am literaly despising every bit of attitude of those who say you gotta git good on on yourself or by teaching from others. This game is legaly forbiding any use of third party software including those DPS softs. I can safely bet a million and say that absolutly none of those coil/alex clears would be cleared in the short time frame we have it now without those convenient dps counters , even these so called rotations we have now, they all are crafted out simply because of most of you use that illegal soft. Imagine coil t10-13 clear for those players blindly hitting wall on those very tight dps checks. Training dummies are nearly usless without those softs, show me one player who is doing his rotation on a dummie and studying combat log shortyly afterwards in game, given how very chaotic that combat log is. Sure theorycrafting is a thing, but reality and "tooltip" theory usualy is worlds apart. REAL TIME dps checks is what this game demands for you to get good and yet legaly they are forbidden. End of story.

yeaaaa. JP does the same content with the same rules but with better results.
so that don't fly.

[Fynlar]

A CLEAR example is crafting , a guy from the same server managed to get his gsm to 60 in no time same as other one from a NA server... You ask what's my point? The guy from jp didn't bother to post it but the guy NA decided to post it because wanted some recognition for it and been seen as the best......

That is a fact is clear and I keep pointing that out since forever. No wonder mods/admins in the forums listen more to the Jp community .

Yeah, nothing to do with the fact this is a Japanese game made by a Japanese company or anything

[zcrash970]

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I create all my rotations without a parser and I know I do amazing dps. I actually don't know my actual numbers unless someone tells me. Also most skill players can tell what their dps is like without parsers and can improve without them.
Oh and I never look at job guides either.

[Colorful]

I create all my rotations without a parser and I know I do amazing dps. I actually don't know my actual numbers unless someone tells me. Also most skill players can tell what their dps is like without parsers and can improve without them.
Oh and I never look at job guides either.

How exactly do you know you do amazing DPS, if you don't mind me asking?... Before I parsed myself I figured I was doing great DPS as I followed the advice of guides, but I was doing 100-200 below usual and afterwards I improved substantially with a little bit of effort. I thought I was doing "amazing" before then too.