JP server player is calling us out. Step up, NA endgamers.

[Lucke]

personally i believe watching a guide video is like reading the driver book the DMV gives you. you don't read it and instantly be great at driving. (in this case running content)

"Experience is the best Teacher".

Reading the book is well and good, but you still have never driven. Learning to drive by actually driving is miles better than reading the book.

Same thing here, one could watch/read a guide till their eyes bleed, they still haven't done the content.

In other words, sucking it up and doing the content is much MUCH more effective than reading some guide/video that may not even be current any more.

[Brian_]

"Experience is the best Teacher".

Reading the book is well and good, but you still have never driven. Learning to drive by actually driving is miles better than reading the book.

Same thing here, one could watch/read a guide till their eyes bleed, they still haven't done the content.

In other words, sucking it up and doing the content is much MUCH more effective than reading some guide/video that may not even be current any more.

This is part of the problem with NA servers. People who legitimately are so delusional they believe this BS.

Yea, "reading" a guide doesn't help you... when you don't know how to read. When I used to lead a static on Gilga, we would watch videos and it would always astound me how little people absorbed from what they watched. It was in one ear, out the other.

Learn how to properly analyze a fight. Then, watching videos might be helpful to you. Don't just disregard an incredibly important part of the learning process because you don't know how to utilize it effectively.

[raymon]

This is part of the problem with NA servers. People who legitimately are so delusional they believe this BS.

Yea, "reading" a guide doesn't help you... when you don't know how to read. When I used to lead a static on Gilga, we would watch videos and it would always astound me how little people absorbed from what they watched. It was in one ear, out the other.

Learn how to properly analyze a fight. Then, watching videos might be helpful to you. Don't just disregard an incredibly important part of the learning process because you don't know how to utilize it effectively.

they point is your not gonna get a run perfectly just because you did research on the dungeon run. you get what you need to do and even how to do it. do you honestly think analyzing a fight via video will let you preform just as good if not better then the person whom video you watched?

[Brian_]

People still don't get the point.

You can't teach someone who doesn't want to learn.

You can talk all day about whose responsibility it is and all this other BS but if the players have a mindset that prevents them from learning, it's all useless rhetoric.

[Miyu20]

Then make a PF where it openly says "Learning Party" and click the Newcomers Welcome and Click the Slow and Steady and if you're aware of the fight or have cleared, maybe try helping out people once in a while.

Not because it is your responsibility, not because it is your job but just to be altruistic. Especially if your server is not one of the big legacy servers or high populated servers, even more so. Everyone knows everyone. IN that case, you know who the ones are who don't want to learn and everyone else that you don't know should be treated with respect and unless they lash out, you should be patient with them as you teach them the content.

If more people on these smaller servers are not more altruistic taking time out of their busy game day to teach others, those on that server will never grow/learn unless they find a static. That is what Arthas was saying and I agree. Conversely, if they are treating you like shit when they are trying to teach you, you can remember that for next time. You don't have to teach for them the next time. But I believe if you really care about your server, you would maybe take an hour and a half of your time and try and teach new people how to do content. I'm not saying Carry...I'm not saying clear...I'm saying just help people get practice.

Just an hour ago, I finished hosting a party for A1S Learning and I stipulated in PF that it's a learning party and people came and learned. I had to do a lot of typing but that's fine. I taught. Everyone was appreciative and it made me believe there are kind people. It's the bitter "Clear Parties, no noob, watch video" PFs that encourage you to know the fight that are the problem. If your server has more Clear Party PFs then Learning Party PFs, there is a problem. Maybe instead of joining the clear party PFs, make or join a learning party one. It would help out your server and you could make new friends too.

I don't know...maybe I'm just too nice but it is possible not to generalize about entire populations of people and just try to help. Don't get discouraged...I'll shut up now..v.v

[zosia]

People still don't get the point.

You can't teach someone who doesn't want to learn.

You can talk all day about whose responsibility it is and all this other BS but if the players have a mindset that prevents them from learning, it's all useless rhetoric.

This right here. This is the entire thread. Check mate here!

If you want to improve, do well, and try harder content, you will find a way. Friends, FCs, LS, and PF all serve as ways to network. We all started somewhere in this game, but I can say with certainty that no one started at max level with the hardest content down. It's a process. A lot of people just don't care / are lazy / think their special / etc to go through the work before wasting other people's time.

[SakuraMidori]

A lot of people just don't care / are lazy / think their special / etc to go through the work before wasting other people's time.

Or players like you who call it work think everything is a wast of your time read what you say

go through the work

lol your not at a job none of this is work it's a game and what players do is all choice but never work thinking anything is work means your not having fun

[Colorful]

In other words, sucking it up and doing the content is much MUCH more effective than reading some guide/video that may not even be current any more.

Except when learning to drive, you do read quite a bit on it, and maybe watch a few videos and see other people doing it all prior to doing it yourself, the same applies here. I can't tell you the amount reading a guide, and then watching a video has helped me understand a fight whereas I'd have no clue what to do. Experience helped my perfect my play, but without the prior knowledge it would have taken me significantly longer to learn fights. To say it's much more effective is utter crap, they both play a huge role in learning a fight. If someone isn't going to a watch a video before joining my group (if the content is over a few days at all and the content is actually difficult), they're not joining my group at all.