Suggestion: FC airship exploration should not require TWO members!

[Archaell]

The hate for solo FCs comes from exploiting imo.

You need three players to create it. Imagine the riots if FCs got disbanded if there were less active members (accounts not alts).

And of course there are the players who started FC to get a house... yet again exploit, which prevented many real FCs to own their property.

No wonder players don't like solo FCs.

[Colorful]

The hate for solo FCs comes from exploiting imo.

You need three players to create it. Imagine the riots if FCs got disbanded if there were less active members (accounts not alts).

And of course there are the players who started FC to get a house... yet again exploit, which prevented many real FCs to own their property.

No wonder players don't like solo FCs.

Okay, and how does that apply to the sitatuion now? Any individual player can own a house, and an unlimited amount of FCs can be made. What exploits are possible with 1 man FCs, if you don't mind sharing? If they're holding a grudge towards some people who used it before personal housing was implemented, get over it.

[Archaell]

Okay, and how does that apply to the sitatuion now? Any individual player can own a house, and an unlimited amount of FCs can be made. What exploits are possible with 1 man FCs, if you don't mind sharing? If they're holding a grudge towards some people who used it before personal housing was implemented, get over it.

That solo FC players mind sharing. It goes against the spirit of the community. At least that's how I understand it.

Even though there is personal housing available, the fact is that one player is still eating the space for real FCs, while even getting access to the "FC" content. I am not surprised that there is public disapproval going on.

[Colorful]

That solo FC players mind sharing. It goes against the spirit of the community. At least that's how I understand it.

Even though there is personal housing available, the fact is that one player is still eating the space for real FCs, while even getting access to the "FC" content. I am not surprised that there is public disapproval going on.

Well I don't know about this spirit of the community nonsense, but there are many reasons why a player may not want to be in an "open" FC and stick to a personal one. I started my own FC awhile back with a few friends I know outside of the game after I got sick of the needless drama, I eventually joined a nice FC, the one that I'm in right now. Now, if I didn't know any other people that played the game, I would have gone without an FC or started my own without any other players. I mean, why not? Extra XP, 30% off teleports, all that great stuff, and to top it off there was housing.

That player is not "eating" any space, personal housing and FC housing is shared, if the player hadn't snatched it someone else would have before that FC. I find it funny how people claim this "spirit of the community" but then are so aggressive to people "stealing" their houses, but that's not the fault of the players, it's SE's. People are bound to get envious when it comes to such a limited thing.

[Archaell]

Well I don't know about this spirit of the community nonsense, but there are many reasons why a player may not want to be in an "open" FC and stick to a personal one. I started my own FC awhile back with a few friends I know outside of the game after I got sick of the needless drama, I eventually joined a nice FC, the one that I'm in right now. Now, if I didn't know any other people that played the game, I would have gone without an FC or started my own without any other players. I mean, why not? Extra XP, 30% off teleports, all that great stuff, and to top it off there was housing.

Good point. Here also comes the question if all these advantages of FC aren't reward for being social with other players... for example FC chest can save you fee for additional retainer.

That player is not "eating" any space, personal housing and FC housing is shared, if the player hadn't snatched it someone else would have before that FC. I find it funny how people claim this "spirit of the community" but then are so aggressive to people "stealing" their houses, but that's not the fault of the players, it's SE's. People are bound to get envious when it comes to such a limited thing.

Yeah. Were it not for the limited supply of houses, the community wouldn't care as much about this topic.

[OcieKo]

Good point. Here also comes the question if all these advantages of FC aren't reward for being social with other players... for example FC chest can save you fee for additional retainer.



Yeah. Were it not for the limited supply of houses, the community wouldn't care as much about this topic.

Ermm... The FC rewards are simply for doing anything productive while playing the game, with a minor favorance for doing things that earn GC seals. Mostly a meter for, how much do they play. Since mine was basically gotten from 1-8 from getting rid of the greed loot from 2-4 ex roulettes a day... Also the social/community aspect could very well get worse if anything in a game was ACTUALLY locked by cliques. Since well it would promote exclusion and NOT interacting with others since you wouldnt be able to do things with them anyways. But akas just a possibility not set in stone. Also i feel this thread has been derailing since the SE POST...

[loreleidiangelo]

Well I don't know about this spirit of the community nonsense, but there are many reasons why a player may not want to be in an "open" FC and stick to a personal one.

The biggest reason being, to hog FC housing for personal use back when housing was only open to FCs.

And as Archaell said, this game is REWARDING you for being anti-social... A whole extra retainer worth of space, basically, a whole plethora of buffs that you get to choose for yourself without having to worry about whether the rest of your company mates want it or not, the ability to sell hard mode exploration runs and net all the profit for oneself, the ability to sell aetherial wheel stands and airship venture-specific rewards - I could go on, but whatever, there's not much point. SE has made their stance pretty apparent by kowtowing to the VERY small subset of people that a 2-man requirement would have affected. At least Void Ark looks pretty cool.

[Colorful]

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That still doesn't answer anything why you guys have lost all excitement for this excitement. All I see is needless hostility to content that's not even out yet, "This one change destroys everything I was looking forward to" is exactly how you're sounding right about now.

A whole extra retainer worth of space

A retainers worth of space, what of it? You can buy retainers. Why do you dislike your fellow players for this when SE is at fault for the lack of inventory space?

a whole plethora of buffs that you get to choose for yourself without having to worry about whether the rest of your company mates want it or not

99% of the time it's the teleport buff and the XP buff, this isn't a reason to be against anything. It just seems like you don't like the choices your FC has made regarding these buffs, whether that's the case or not I don't know.

the ability to sell hard mode exploration runs and net all the profit for oneself

Selling hard more exploration runs, how exactly are they going to do that all by themself? You don't see one person selling a Savage run do you? No, they're usually with your static and 7 man it with the person they're carrying. Unless you mean selling the ship, in which case, why not? Did they not create and rank up these airships? Did they not spend the gil and points required to get the airship up to speed? Let them do as they please, they worked for it.

the ability to sell aetherial wheel stands and airship venture-specific rewards

Yeah, because leaders of FCs don't already sell airship venture-specific rewards? You're kidding yourself if you think that's not the case in quite a lot of FCs, SE designed it in a that only the higher ups in an FC have direct control over the airships and they're rewards. One other thing, does this not benefit FCs without an airship, to be able to buy "runs"?

It's all just needless whining for something that won't even affect you.

[loreleidiangelo]

That still doesn't answer anything why you guys have lost all excitement for this excitement. All I see is needless hostility to content that's not even out yet, "This one change destroys everything I was looking forward to" is exactly how you're sounding right about now.

It's all just needless whining for something that won't even affect you.

Nice ASSumptions you're making when you don't even understand half of what I typed about how the setup of FC functions in general benefit single-player FCs more than larger-scale ones. And no, I'm not unhappy in my current FC at all. I've been in it since launch, so you can take your conjecture and shove it.

For the record, this change wasn't what killed my excitement for the content (various other aspects shown make it look not that appealing or as interesting as it sounded initially), but it certainly didn't help any. I'm just expressing frustration over the apparent direction SE is taking towards single-player FCs. In other games a solo-man guild won't get very far, so it's kind of bizarre to me that in this game not only can they do everything else a larger FC can do, they can actually do so with more perks.

I mean, why doesn't everyone just make a single-player FC then? What the hell is the incentive to group with members of your guild in this game when you could just be in a solo FC and play with people in your Linkshells? I thought this would be the answer, but nope, "forced grouping content" (*snigger*) in this game is bad, mmmkay?