useless scholars

[kazeandi]

There's a lot of cases when it can't be helped. Too much incoming DPS to even risk wasting a global cooldown - and then you didn't even switch on Cleric Stance.

[Alex_Lenderson]

You really think so? Well then, I suppose the only question I have after that is that do you share your thoughts about SCH DPSing carry over to WHM and AST as well?

Yes. Healers with extra time/mana/GCD not needed to heal should be helping to DPS.

[Tizzy_Tormentor]

As a SCH, I DPS as much as possible in any content, its part of the reason I love the class, lots of DPS and strong quick heals, as well as the fairy heals taking over for most pulls.

If a healer doesn't want to DPS, that is their business, although if a tank isn't using cooldowns or using them very poorly, I often have to forsake DPS completely to make up for them being inept.

[bounddreamer]

To be honest when I was first running the healing jobs I wasn't comfortable dpsing, and I didn't trust the fairy or really understand her limits so I would spend most of my time healing, and put dots on the mobs without switching to Cleric Stance. It was only once I got both healing jobs to 50 and got more practice that I felt fully comfortable and confident with my own abilities, the fairy, what we could and couldn't do, and what the tank could take (and what I could bring them back from).

No one is excellent at anything to start. It takes a lot of practice, sometimes some screw ups, and learning and trying to do better. I'm happiest in a run throwing out an Adlo, switching to CS, and dpsing my heart out before I switch back to top off the tank. But not everyone's there, or trusts themselves (or their fairy) that much.

[Nadirah]

Agreed, and let's assume they aren't comfortable. Well id rather they fail and let me die trying to learn how to DPS. Than to be too scared to try it in fear someone will criticize them for letting them die.

The best people on this planet understand you can't be afraid to make mistakes and learn from them. Someone who's already successful had their fair share of mistakes so don't let their criticisms deter you from improving.

As a tank, I'd rather not. Learning to do that stuff isn't what duty finder is for.

If I have to blow Hallowed on trash because you're too busy dpsing, yet its still dying so slowly that I ran out of CDs and had to HG we have a problem.

[Nadirah]

In other words you're OK with slowing other people down because when you get tired you get lazy? I mean this attitude isn't any different than DPS who get lazy about doing their rotation. And you paid your $15 and can do it but it doesn't make it right.

If no one is dead, I don't give a hoot.

Ooh wow, run finished two whole minutes faster! Whoop. Dee. Doo.

[Nadirah]

@Alex, the tank hate/damage argument is bunk because damage dealt directly correlates to tank hate.

You aren't doing more healing the more you dps yet, so your comparison is bad.

[Lastelli]

Healing role is to make sure the party is still standing with efficient use of there ability. Dealing damage is not only secondary, but considered situational based on party make up and how the rest of the party is managing.

Efficient use? You litterally have simply to spam physick to clear expert dungeons. This isn't even a matter of role-specific responsabilities, it's a matter of the effort you put to clear the instance in a reasonable amount of time when playing with other 3-7 people. It's just a matter of courtesy and respect towards the other players. Healing trivial content with a SCH is so easy that deciding not to dps makes you a free rider waiting for the rest of the group to clear the instance for you, and this is shameful.

I have lost count of how many dungeon runs in the past several months where my DPS contributions on trash mobs made little to no difference with ace DPS in DF.

Then you were either very lucky and found exceptional dps players, or you just didn't dps in the right way. DoTs, Bane and Shadowflare can easily result in you being top dps in a dungeon if you don't have a smn in your party.

[LeeraSorlan]

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Then you were either very lucky and found exceptional dps players, or you just didn't dps in the right way. DoTs, Bane and Shadowflare can easily result in you being top dps in a dungeon.

If your healer is out dpsing anyone besides maybe a pld, then the healers dps is faaaaaaar from the problem and you are basically "carrying" those real dps, which btw is something you disagree with, since a healer not dpsing is being carried right?

Once again, healer dps is 100% optional, if you are upset that a healer isnt dpsing, report them and watch nothing happen, because its not bad, its not blasphemy and nothing you will do will make them dps anymore than they want to..


Funny story even, i was in a low level dungeon as a whm, didnt feel like dpsing, one of the dps so rudely said "can u stop standing around like an idiot and start dpsing?" so, i Xclassed ruin and used that over and over without cleric, well, i was dpsing at least, right?

[Kabzy]

If I have to blow Hallowed on trash because you're too busy dpsing, yet its still dying so slowly that I ran out of CDs and had to HG we have a problem.

Going off on a tangent here slightly, but I'd be more surprised to actually see a tank use their 'ultimate' CD when they get low on HP. I've seen a lot of times where the tank gets low, whether it's their fault or the healers, and yet somehow it's always the healer busting their CDs to rectify the situation. Tanks can mitigate too, so while it's not ideal, it's not too far-fetched to expect them to use their abilities once in a while. If you end up dead as a tank and still have HG/Holmgang/LD available, then you messed up your role just as much as the healer did.