useless scholars

[Jican]

Snip from eveything he's said thus far

Seems to me like you're the only l33t one here and everyone else should bow down to your awesomeness. I think you should rewrite all the rules of the universe to fit your exact and only way of doing anything ever at all for the rest of time itself. I still have the inkling that someone will botch that up too so you can find another outlet to tell people they're bad.

[Supersun]

If your healer is out dpsing anyone besides maybe a pld, then the healers dps is faaaaaaar from the problem and you are basically "carrying" those real dps, which btw is something you disagree with, since a healer not dpsing is being carried right?

Once again, healer dps is 100% optional, if you are upset that a healer isnt dpsing, report them and watch nothing happen, because its not bad, its not blasphemy and nothing you will do will make them dps anymore than they want to..


Funny story even, i was in a low level dungeon as a whm, didnt feel like dpsing, one of the dps so rudely said "can u stop standing around like an idiot and start dpsing?" so, i Xclassed ruin and used that over and over without cleric, well, i was dpsing at least, right?

I can kind of understand their frustration to a degree.

I'd be like a Sch just summining his fairy, the Sch auto-following the tank, and then going afk for the next 30 mins.

I'd be slightly peeved as a DPS when the Sch is essentially leeching, and if it were possible I'd rather just have a 3rd DPS instead and have one of the DPS put cure on their bar at that point, but I can't because the Duty Finder requires a job with the healer role.

There's certainly a certain level of frustration when people are putting in effort on a team and someone isn't. It's like those school group papers where one person does all the work and the rest just do nothing.

ESPECIALLY in lower level dungeons like Halitali where a Con/Whm with Stone II is going to be pushing similar DPS numbers as the DPS themselves.

I mean strictly speaking the tank, if able, can just hold hate by doing nothing by spamming flash and the DPS can stop using skill and just kill stuff with their auto attacks. I mean as a DPS pushing extra DPS is optional, right, so long as you clear the dungeon within 90 minutes, but no one wants to take 90 minutes to clear a dungeon.

So yes, I understand a the frustration of your party if you had a good tank that barely took very little damage and you essentially sat there doing nothing. It's very likely you turned what would have been a 20 minute run into a 30 minute run and wasted 10 minutes of the rest of the party's time.

Now I'm not saying you must squeeze every ounce of DPS at all times and have the most stressful run ever because everyone is constantly at 100 HP, but if you are intentionally putting in less effort than the rest of the party...yeah, that's pretty low.

Is it reportable, no, but there are plenty of things that shouldn't be done that aren't reportable either.

[LeeraSorlan]

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im not against healers dpsing. I think they should when they are able, but i dont see it as a problem if they dont. Lots of reasons why a healer might not want to dps.Then theirs the argument of only sticking to your role. A healer only wants to heal and a tank only wants to tank etc. People shouldnt be forced or shunned b to do something outside of the role they have.


Which has always been a complaint to me in any MMO. If a way to do something is better, everyone will think negatively on someone doing it another way, even if that way is passable.


No dungeon should tank the full 90 minutes with the 2 dps actually dpsing, thats the other thing, a dps slacks off by dpsing less, which is the role they are, a healer slacks off by not dpsing, which is not the role they are.


This post was all over the place sorry

[Jican]

Funny story even, i was in a low level dungeon as a whm, didnt feel like dpsing, one of the dps so rudely said "can u stop standing around like an idiot and start dpsing?" so, i Xclassed ruin and used that over and over without cleric, well, i was dpsing at least, right?

I would have stopped healing and only dpsed. "Opps, was dpsing and forgot to heal".

[Alex_Lenderson]

To use another example - is the tank's role to do damage or to hold hate? If so would you mind if they stopped dealing damage once hate is secured?

Secondly almost everyone wants the dungeon run to go quicker. That is the goal to complete the content in minimal amount of time. Why? Because of the design of the game it is run multiple times. First time healer? No problem focusing on heals and I know someone is first time because of message. Content is still new I have no issues with them playing it safe. But the simple fact is 3 other people in that dungeon want it done quicker and it can be done quicker but you want to be lazy about it. It is principally no different than a DPS being lazy about their rotation. There are no 'primary objectives' and 'secondary objective' nonsense. Everyone wants the same thing.

[Blessedbythesun]

You really think so? Well then, I suppose the only question I have after that is that do you share your thoughts about SCH DPSing carry over to WHM and AST as well?

[Alex_Lenderson]

You really think so? Well then, I suppose the only question I have after that is that do you share your thoughts about SCH DPSing carry over to WHM and AST as well?

Yes. Healers with extra time/mana/GCD not needed to heal should be helping to DPS.

[kazeandi]

There's a lot of cases when it can't be helped. Too much incoming DPS to even risk wasting a global cooldown - and then you didn't even switch on Cleric Stance.

[Tizzy_Tormentor]

As a SCH, I DPS as much as possible in any content, its part of the reason I love the class, lots of DPS and strong quick heals, as well as the fairy heals taking over for most pulls.

If a healer doesn't want to DPS, that is their business, although if a tank isn't using cooldowns or using them very poorly, I often have to forsake DPS completely to make up for them being inept.

[bounddreamer]

To be honest when I was first running the healing jobs I wasn't comfortable dpsing, and I didn't trust the fairy or really understand her limits so I would spend most of my time healing, and put dots on the mobs without switching to Cleric Stance. It was only once I got both healing jobs to 50 and got more practice that I felt fully comfortable and confident with my own abilities, the fairy, what we could and couldn't do, and what the tank could take (and what I could bring them back from).

No one is excellent at anything to start. It takes a lot of practice, sometimes some screw ups, and learning and trying to do better. I'm happiest in a run throwing out an Adlo, switching to CS, and dpsing my heart out before I switch back to top off the tank. But not everyone's there, or trusts themselves (or their fairy) that much.