useless scholars

[kasplat]

My primary reason for having Stoneskin up on everyone besides the tank is simply to easily see who is getting hit. My expectation is that people shouldn't be getting hit if they aren't tanking, but I've found that expectation is usually not met, in particular with melee taking AoE damage that they shouldn't have. After a few times seeing the Stoneskin disappear I know what kind of player I have and can watch them more closely.

[Kietsu]

I've been leveling up a DRK through dungeons lately, and I'm sorry - if you're casting Physick every GCD while I'm glued to full health health, you're playing your class wrong. You could stand there and do literally nothing for a little bit and you'd be playing more efficiently.

[Twilite]

I cant understand how heals dont feel utterly useless, if they only heal

sometimes the tank has full HP and they just do nothing for like 30 sec, use 1 heal and afk for another 30 sec

I would feel like trash, lol

If I afk'd for 30 seconds, I'd come back to finding myself kicked out of the dungeon. The act of simply getting out of my chair and walking to my room door, which is all of 5 seconds, would result in 1 person dead. If we had 30 seconds of freedom to do anything, THAT WOULD BE AMAZING. You can't be a lax healer, though unfortunately they exist.

[Aomine1992]

I don't get why ppl complain about this so much outside of raid content...yes as a healer I stance dance a lot but mostly cause I'm ADHD lol and have to always be doing something but everyone is different...

While I'm tanking unless dps are dreadfully slow I could care less what the healer does as long as I'm not dying...i have seen plenty of SCHs getting into that dps tunnel vision and bam the tank is dead.

[Blessedbythesun]

Exactly. Out side of raids, the expectations of what SCH should do are much lower because the content is not that demanding on the DPS front. Some days I feel like DPSing, others, I am just to tired and just autopilot with heals. Some people just don't want to DPS because that's not why they choose to play a healer role, others get bored and suport DPS. If you are not doing raid content and demanding SCH to DPS because it's taking to long to kill stuff, you need to be looking at your DPS in the party, not the SCH.

[Alex_Lenderson]

Exactly. Out side of raids, the expectations of what SCH should do are much lower because the content is not that demanding on the DPS front. Some days I feel like DPSing, others, I am just to tired and just autopilot with heals. Some people just don't want to DPS because that's not why they choose to play a healer role, others get bored and suport DPS. If you are not doing raid content and demanding SCH to DPS because it's taking to long to kill stuff, you need to be looking at your DPS in the party, not the SCH.

In other words you're OK with slowing other people down because when you get tired you get lazy? I mean this attitude isn't any different than DPS who get lazy about doing their rotation. And you paid your $15 and can do it but it doesn't make it right.

[Blessedbythesun]

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I have lost count of how many dungeon runs in the past several months where my DPS contributions on trash mobs made little to no difference with ace DPS in DF. To that point where I have felt secure enough to DPS during boss fights so I wouldn't be bored.

I have also lost track of how many runs where I have DPS when the actual DPS were subpar but had to heal more in the run because the tanks were taking to much damage.

If you feel you have that much reliance on SCH DPS that having one that does not DPS is a burden, I gotta question you. But think what you will.

[Blessedbythesun]

I mean this attitude isn't any different than DPS who get lazy about doing their rotation. And you paid your $15 and can do it but it doesn't make it right.

Also to that comment specifically (on my phone so can't edit post.)

DPS role is to optimize outgoing damage and to minimize damage to themselves. If DPS is being lazy at their primary objective, something is wrong there.

Healing role is to make sure the party is still standing with efficient use of there ability. Dealing damage is not only secondary, but considered situational based on party make up and how the rest of the party is managing.

[Alex_Lenderson]

To use another example - is the tank's role to do damage or to hold hate? If so would you mind if they stopped dealing damage once hate is secured?

Secondly almost everyone wants the dungeon run to go quicker. That is the goal to complete the content in minimal amount of time. Why? Because of the design of the game it is run multiple times. First time healer? No problem focusing on heals and I know someone is first time because of message. Content is still new I have no issues with them playing it safe. But the simple fact is 3 other people in that dungeon want it done quicker and it can be done quicker but you want to be lazy about it. It is principally no different than a DPS being lazy about their rotation. There are no 'primary objectives' and 'secondary objective' nonsense. Everyone wants the same thing.

[Blessedbythesun]

You really think so? Well then, I suppose the only question I have after that is that do you share your thoughts about SCH DPSing carry over to WHM and AST as well?