useless scholars

[LeeraSorlan]

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Then you were either very lucky and found exceptional dps players, or you just didn't dps in the right way. DoTs, Bane and Shadowflare can easily result in you being top dps in a dungeon.

If your healer is out dpsing anyone besides maybe a pld, then the healers dps is faaaaaaar from the problem and you are basically "carrying" those real dps, which btw is something you disagree with, since a healer not dpsing is being carried right?

Once again, healer dps is 100% optional, if you are upset that a healer isnt dpsing, report them and watch nothing happen, because its not bad, its not blasphemy and nothing you will do will make them dps anymore than they want to..


Funny story even, i was in a low level dungeon as a whm, didnt feel like dpsing, one of the dps so rudely said "can u stop standing around like an idiot and start dpsing?" so, i Xclassed ruin and used that over and over without cleric, well, i was dpsing at least, right?

[Lastelli]

If your healer is out dpsing anyone besides maybe a pld, then the healers dps is faaaaaaar from the problem and you are basically "carrying" those real dps, which btw is something you disagree with, since a healer not dpsing is being carried right?

So because other players are bad you should feel in the right if you're bad yourself? Nice way of thinking.
Anyway, purposefully deciding not to dps because "I don't feel like it" or "this isn't my role" even if you have plenty of tools to do so just denotes a bad/lazy healer. I won't force anyone to grow up and become a better player, not a healer not dpsing, nor a dps performing poorly. I won't write anything in the chat log. If I notice a player is bad I'll just try to do my best to avoid wasting 40 minutes in a dungeon. If all the other players are terrible I'll silently leave the instance. I'll just frown and acknowledge how bad that player was / those players were.
Also, a SCH dps skills are so powerful that with a minimal effort (again, dots+bane+shadowflare) you just naturally have a higher dps than a NIN or a MCH for example. You don't want to? You're free to do as you please, but you're intentionally being a bad player and wasting more time than needed in a dungeon that the game forces you to clear several times a week to obtain your precious esoterics.
But again, the main point here is the effort you put into something. A dps needs to be quite active to do good damage...a SCH that only heals can literally autofollow the tank and let the fairy heal, and with the current ilvl this is not even an hyperbole. To me, this is equivalent to a monk spamming bootshine while watching netflix. Bad, inept, lazy, disrespectful, call it what you want but the essence is the same.

[Jican]

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Seems to me like you're the only l33t one here and everyone else should bow down to your awesomeness. I think you should rewrite all the rules of the universe to fit your exact and only way of doing anything ever at all for the rest of time itself. I still have the inkling that someone will botch that up too so you can find another outlet to tell people they're bad.

[Supersun]

If your healer is out dpsing anyone besides maybe a pld, then the healers dps is faaaaaaar from the problem and you are basically "carrying" those real dps, which btw is something you disagree with, since a healer not dpsing is being carried right?

Once again, healer dps is 100% optional, if you are upset that a healer isnt dpsing, report them and watch nothing happen, because its not bad, its not blasphemy and nothing you will do will make them dps anymore than they want to..


Funny story even, i was in a low level dungeon as a whm, didnt feel like dpsing, one of the dps so rudely said "can u stop standing around like an idiot and start dpsing?" so, i Xclassed ruin and used that over and over without cleric, well, i was dpsing at least, right?

I can kind of understand their frustration to a degree.

I'd be like a Sch just summining his fairy, the Sch auto-following the tank, and then going afk for the next 30 mins.

I'd be slightly peeved as a DPS when the Sch is essentially leeching, and if it were possible I'd rather just have a 3rd DPS instead and have one of the DPS put cure on their bar at that point, but I can't because the Duty Finder requires a job with the healer role.

There's certainly a certain level of frustration when people are putting in effort on a team and someone isn't. It's like those school group papers where one person does all the work and the rest just do nothing.

ESPECIALLY in lower level dungeons like Halitali where a Con/Whm with Stone II is going to be pushing similar DPS numbers as the DPS themselves.

I mean strictly speaking the tank, if able, can just hold hate by doing nothing by spamming flash and the DPS can stop using skill and just kill stuff with their auto attacks. I mean as a DPS pushing extra DPS is optional, right, so long as you clear the dungeon within 90 minutes, but no one wants to take 90 minutes to clear a dungeon.

So yes, I understand a the frustration of your party if you had a good tank that barely took very little damage and you essentially sat there doing nothing. It's very likely you turned what would have been a 20 minute run into a 30 minute run and wasted 10 minutes of the rest of the party's time.

Now I'm not saying you must squeeze every ounce of DPS at all times and have the most stressful run ever because everyone is constantly at 100 HP, but if you are intentionally putting in less effort than the rest of the party...yeah, that's pretty low.

Is it reportable, no, but there are plenty of things that shouldn't be done that aren't reportable either.

[LeeraSorlan]

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im not against healers dpsing. I think they should when they are able, but i dont see it as a problem if they dont. Lots of reasons why a healer might not want to dps.Then theirs the argument of only sticking to your role. A healer only wants to heal and a tank only wants to tank etc. People shouldnt be forced or shunned b to do something outside of the role they have.


Which has always been a complaint to me in any MMO. If a way to do something is better, everyone will think negatively on someone doing it another way, even if that way is passable.


No dungeon should tank the full 90 minutes with the 2 dps actually dpsing, thats the other thing, a dps slacks off by dpsing less, which is the role they are, a healer slacks off by not dpsing, which is not the role they are.


This post was all over the place sorry

[Delily]

im not against healers dpsing. I think they should when they are able, but i dont see it as a problem if they dont. Lots of reasons why a healer might not want to dps.Then theirs the argument of only sticking to your role. A healer only wants to heal and a tank only wants to tank etc. People shouldnt be forced or shunned b to do something outside of the role they have.


Which has always been a complaint to me in any MMO. If a way to do something is better, everyone will think negatively on someone doing it another way, even if that way is passable.


No dungeon should tank the full 90 minutes with the 2 dps actually dpsing, thats the other thing, a dps slacks off by dpsing less, which is the role they are, a healer slacks off by not dpsing, which is not the role they are.


This post was all over the place sorry

It's a scholar we're talking about there. Unlike either AST or WHM, the benefit to the SCH is that there is effectively another healer in the group. The fairies can keep the tank alive in all 4 man content while the player is applying DoT spells. Stance dancing and clipping DoTs is a core skill to a SCH. If you're not doing those, then dismiss the pet.

[Blessedbythesun]

It's a scholar we're talking about there. Unlike either AST or WHM, the benefit to the SCH is that there is effectively another healer in the group. The fairies can keep the tank alive in all 4 man content while the player is applying DoT spells. Stance dancing and clipping DoTs is a core skill to a SCH. If you're not doing those, then dismiss the pet.

So you would suggest losing 2-3 very useful support skills that each fairy brings to the table that makes a SCH more dynamic than just having a pet that will constantly heal?

I have never been in a EX roulette dungeon speed run that fairies could be trusted at all to keep a tank alive within the first 5-7 seconds of an initial pull, with or without adlo and stoneskin.

edit: But also to another point, you would suggest that SCH should release their pets and just heal, would would equate to telling them to play WHM or AST, which would also mean the implication that SCH are expected to DPS but WHM and AST aren't? But if WHM and AST aren't expected to DPS, how the hell does that make having a SCH who doesn't DPS a burden and a leech?

On this note, I am now done with my thoughts on the matter.

[Jican]

Funny story even, i was in a low level dungeon as a whm, didnt feel like dpsing, one of the dps so rudely said "can u stop standing around like an idiot and start dpsing?" so, i Xclassed ruin and used that over and over without cleric, well, i was dpsing at least, right?

I would have stopped healing and only dpsed. "Opps, was dpsing and forgot to heal".