useless scholars

[kasplat]

You need to get some perspective. If you aren't doing a pre-formed group, you shouldn't expect more than getting through the dungeon with minimal or no deaths. You shouldn't expect a speed run or aggressive play. When you get to 60 and are repeatedly doing level 60 dungeons where everyone appears to be overgeared, then you can expect more, but not before then.

As a healer / tank coming back to the game, I haven't played my classes in over six months. I swap jobs depending on what I feel like running. I have randoms all day long in different dungeons, some are first timers to the dungeon, sometimes it is a pre-formed group just missing one party slot. Its a crap shoot and I only expect people to be civil and helpful if someone says it is their first time or they aren't sure what to do on a boss, etc.

[Kietsu]

I've been leveling up a DRK through dungeons lately, and I'm sorry - if you're casting Physick every GCD while I'm glued to full health health, you're playing your class wrong. You could stand there and do literally nothing for a little bit and you'd be playing more efficiently.

[Aomine1992]

I don't get why ppl complain about this so much outside of raid content...yes as a healer I stance dance a lot but mostly cause I'm ADHD lol and have to always be doing something but everyone is different...

While I'm tanking unless dps are dreadfully slow I could care less what the healer does as long as I'm not dying...i have seen plenty of SCHs getting into that dps tunnel vision and bam the tank is dead.

[Blessedbythesun]

Exactly. Out side of raids, the expectations of what SCH should do are much lower because the content is not that demanding on the DPS front. Some days I feel like DPSing, others, I am just to tired and just autopilot with heals. Some people just don't want to DPS because that's not why they choose to play a healer role, others get bored and suport DPS. If you are not doing raid content and demanding SCH to DPS because it's taking to long to kill stuff, you need to be looking at your DPS in the party, not the SCH.

[Alex_Lenderson]

Exactly. Out side of raids, the expectations of what SCH should do are much lower because the content is not that demanding on the DPS front. Some days I feel like DPSing, others, I am just to tired and just autopilot with heals. Some people just don't want to DPS because that's not why they choose to play a healer role, others get bored and suport DPS. If you are not doing raid content and demanding SCH to DPS because it's taking to long to kill stuff, you need to be looking at your DPS in the party, not the SCH.

In other words you're OK with slowing other people down because when you get tired you get lazy? I mean this attitude isn't any different than DPS who get lazy about doing their rotation. And you paid your $15 and can do it but it doesn't make it right.

[Blessedbythesun]

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I have lost count of how many dungeon runs in the past several months where my DPS contributions on trash mobs made little to no difference with ace DPS in DF. To that point where I have felt secure enough to DPS during boss fights so I wouldn't be bored.

I have also lost track of how many runs where I have DPS when the actual DPS were subpar but had to heal more in the run because the tanks were taking to much damage.

If you feel you have that much reliance on SCH DPS that having one that does not DPS is a burden, I gotta question you. But think what you will.

[Blessedbythesun]

I mean this attitude isn't any different than DPS who get lazy about doing their rotation. And you paid your $15 and can do it but it doesn't make it right.

Also to that comment specifically (on my phone so can't edit post.)

DPS role is to optimize outgoing damage and to minimize damage to themselves. If DPS is being lazy at their primary objective, something is wrong there.

Healing role is to make sure the party is still standing with efficient use of there ability. Dealing damage is not only secondary, but considered situational based on party make up and how the rest of the party is managing.

[Lastelli]

Healing role is to make sure the party is still standing with efficient use of there ability. Dealing damage is not only secondary, but considered situational based on party make up and how the rest of the party is managing.

Efficient use? You litterally have simply to spam physick to clear expert dungeons. This isn't even a matter of role-specific responsabilities, it's a matter of the effort you put to clear the instance in a reasonable amount of time when playing with other 3-7 people. It's just a matter of courtesy and respect towards the other players. Healing trivial content with a SCH is so easy that deciding not to dps makes you a free rider waiting for the rest of the group to clear the instance for you, and this is shameful.

I have lost count of how many dungeon runs in the past several months where my DPS contributions on trash mobs made little to no difference with ace DPS in DF.

Then you were either very lucky and found exceptional dps players, or you just didn't dps in the right way. DoTs, Bane and Shadowflare can easily result in you being top dps in a dungeon if you don't have a smn in your party.

[LeeraSorlan]

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Then you were either very lucky and found exceptional dps players, or you just didn't dps in the right way. DoTs, Bane and Shadowflare can easily result in you being top dps in a dungeon.

If your healer is out dpsing anyone besides maybe a pld, then the healers dps is faaaaaaar from the problem and you are basically "carrying" those real dps, which btw is something you disagree with, since a healer not dpsing is being carried right?

Once again, healer dps is 100% optional, if you are upset that a healer isnt dpsing, report them and watch nothing happen, because its not bad, its not blasphemy and nothing you will do will make them dps anymore than they want to..


Funny story even, i was in a low level dungeon as a whm, didnt feel like dpsing, one of the dps so rudely said "can u stop standing around like an idiot and start dpsing?" so, i Xclassed ruin and used that over and over without cleric, well, i was dpsing at least, right?

[Lastelli]

If your healer is out dpsing anyone besides maybe a pld, then the healers dps is faaaaaaar from the problem and you are basically "carrying" those real dps, which btw is something you disagree with, since a healer not dpsing is being carried right?

So because other players are bad you should feel in the right if you're bad yourself? Nice way of thinking.
Anyway, purposefully deciding not to dps because "I don't feel like it" or "this isn't my role" even if you have plenty of tools to do so just denotes a bad/lazy healer. I won't force anyone to grow up and become a better player, not a healer not dpsing, nor a dps performing poorly. I won't write anything in the chat log. If I notice a player is bad I'll just try to do my best to avoid wasting 40 minutes in a dungeon. If all the other players are terrible I'll silently leave the instance. I'll just frown and acknowledge how bad that player was / those players were.
Also, a SCH dps skills are so powerful that with a minimal effort (again, dots+bane+shadowflare) you just naturally have a higher dps than a NIN or a MCH for example. You don't want to? You're free to do as you please, but you're intentionally being a bad player and wasting more time than needed in a dungeon that the game forces you to clear several times a week to obtain your precious esoterics.
But again, the main point here is the effort you put into something. A dps needs to be quite active to do good damage...a SCH that only heals can literally autofollow the tank and let the fairy heal, and with the current ilvl this is not even an hyperbole. To me, this is equivalent to a monk spamming bootshine while watching netflix. Bad, inept, lazy, disrespectful, call it what you want but the essence is the same.