What they mean by "change the damage calculations of tanks"?

[Nektulos-Tuor]

Unless str doesn't affect attack power, like it doesn't for bards or healers. That's an obvious problem, I don't think it would be overlooked by the devs. (I think) they are trying to address the disparity between full str and full vit tanks. They will homogenize the stats, likely around their intended 2 tanks = 1 dps, so you don't have some tanks doing 400 dps and others doing 1000. I think they would like to close the gap, instead of 400/1000 bring it closer to say 500/600 or 600/700. Raise the minimum, reduce the maximum; however they choose to do it.

Well if that is the case. Some DPS are doing 400 whilst others are doing 1400. We should close the gap and make them do closer to 800/900.

Do you see an issue with this yet? Balance should not be made out of laziness and bad players. That is poor in a design and development standpoint and all that does is make people quit/leave the game.

[whiskeybravo]

Well if that is the case. Some DPS are doing 400 whilst others are doing 1400. We should close the gap and make them do closer to 800/900.

Do you see an issue with this yet? Balance should not be made out of laziness and bad players. That is poor in a design and development standpoint and all that does is make people quit/leave the game.

No, because the issue in this example isn't due to stats or gear.

The balance is players who can spend millions on melded gear to create an enormous disparity between players who can't.

In essence, what I was saying is, if they swap VIT and STR, a full fending gear WAR will have the same attack power as a full slaying gear WAR, but ALSO have the HP of a fending gear WAR.

I just think you were putting the cart before the horse, so to speak. If they swapped vit/str then the full str war is losing on damage and hp, assuming str would not have the same value as it currently does. I think that if attack power scaled off vitality, str wouldn't matter, it would be a dead stat like dex. Or have a minimal effect like determination.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

No, because the issue in this example isn't due to stats or gear.

The balance is players who can spend millions on melded gear to create an enormous disparity between players who can't.



I just think you were putting the cart before the horse, so to speak. If they swapped vit/str then the full str war is losing on damage and hp, assuming str would not have the same value as it currently does. I think that if attack power scaled off vitality, str wouldn't matter, it would be a dead stat like dex. Or have a minimal effect like determination.

Well, a 400 to 1200 difference isn't stats and gear either sir. So I don't see your point?

Indeed, that is why they should make crafted gear only able to have one main stat.

[Ashkendor]

Well, a 400 to 1200 difference isn't stats and gear either sir. So I don't see your point?

Indeed, that is why they should make crafted gear only able to have one main stat.

That's exactly his point. Your example isn't stats/gear linked. It's linked to the skill and/or willingness of the player to actually play their role. He's comparing a tank in full VIT with a tank in full STR and assuming equal skill. You're comparing apples to oranges.

[Ashelia_Ferron]

Well if that is the case. Some DPS are doing 400 whilst others are doing 1400. We should close the gap and make them do closer to 800/900.

Do you see an issue with this yet? Balance should not be made out of laziness and bad players. That is poor in a design and development standpoint and all that does is make people quit/leave the game.

The thing is that the tank disparity in damage is from equally geared, equally skilled players in the roles.

Not comparing two different people (One being a lazy/bad DPS and one actually doing a proper rotation)

Inherently, some tanks just do more damage than others, which in a game like this with tight DPS checks, can make the difference between wiping and clearing

[Tyrial]

The thing is that the tank disparity in damage is from equally geared, equally skilled players in the roles.

The disparity shows up when you're looking at it from a MT damage perspective. As OT the only thing holding back PLD and DRK is TP. As MT DRK and WAR are pretty even, PLD falls behind again due to TP and Enmity issues. If Halone was their highest potency combo you'd be seeing somewhat different results.

[Jonnycbad]

But it wouldn't make sense because you'd have 2 primary stats on tank accessories, one for VIT and one for their 'new damage stat'.

[AlexiIvaniskavich]

Every class has vit + their own main stat on left side gear (as does tank). All non tank class accessories have their main stat (which effects damage output) + 2 secondary stats. Currently the "tank" accessories have 2 secondary stats and vit. If SE rolled out a new "tank stat" I would assume that tank accessories would follow every other class and have the main stat + 2 secondaries (again, future gear)

Every class needs VIT. As it has no effect on damage done, or really anything other than HP totals, I don't consider it a main stat. SE would likely need to add VIT to left side tank gear to make a new stat work.