Block first timers from Party Finder!

[Laraul]

I'm simply asking for a setting on the party finder to allow players who have completed the fight only. When you have tried farming something as much as I have and have endlessly had your PF used for free clears or people joining with no clue, it gets boring quickly.

So put 'must have win' in the PF comment. This is pretty effective. But if people ignore it, too bad. That's the risk you take when using the party finder. If you wanted an experienced group you'd grab people you know are reliable and form a party on your own. Adding such an option to the party finder would also KILL the PARTY FINDER. Because people don't create parties for players with less experience than themselves. They create parties to WIN, which means almost all party listings will be limited it too people who already have a clear.

Perhaps you should just use the DF to farm. I've done that. It works... you get quick queue times if your a tank or healer, which appears to be the role you play. Depends on the battle of course.

[karateorangutang]

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I understand your point.

I just don't quite understand how making a check box that forces the game to make sure that the person has a clear would somehow kill PF. Honestly, I try to avoid PF right now because it is broken in it's current state. It needs fixes and options to make it a resource that is reliable. It's simply not reliable at all because people lie. There needs to be a check and a balance to that. Honestly though if someone wants the win then they can make a learning or clear party... they are on there all the time. They also fill up, usually with people who will help clear it because they are bored. If people are unwilling to make these parties and are instead hijacking an experienced group without their knowledge then isnt that an issue that should be addressed. Why should players be hamstringed just because someone hasn't gotten a clear. It's in their quest log and so it is their responsibility to facilitate a clear.

I guess I'm having trouble seeing where your coming from on this.

Basically. But hey, at least people would have to look for a different scape goat foe why their farm fails forthe ttwentieth time that night.

I'd still be willing to bet it would happen less, but of course it would still happen lol.

[Laraul]

Why should players be hamstringed just because someone hasn't gotten a clear. It's in their quest log and so it is their responsibility to facilitate a clear.

It's the responsibility of the party founder to make sure every member knows his or her role and what to do. That may mean explaining the fight, for each role, asking and responding to questions, and have an overall understanding on every person is going to do. That's the job of the leader! If the party fails, that means as leader you did something wrong.

How is checking for a clear going to prevent people from joining as a role they not familiar playing as. If I clear something as DPS, that doesn't mean I'll be able to properly function as healer or tank. So the same problem still crops up.

[Naliee]

It's the responsibility of the party founder to make sure every member knows his or her role and what to do. That may mean explaining the fight, for each role, asking and responding to questions, and have an overall understanding on every person is going to do. That's the job of the leader! If the party fails, that means as leader you did something wrong.

So... you blame the leader if (sneaky)newb joins to FARM party when PF comment says "no bonus/newbs" and then you have to waste more time to find rep for that person?

[WinterLuna]

It's the responsibility of the party founder to make sure every member knows his or her role and what to do. That may mean explaining the fight, for each role, asking and responding to questions, and have an overall understanding on every person is going to do. That's the job of the leader!

So it's my fault that someone doesn't tell me they are new and messes up my entire party? No, a bonus message doesn't tell me who is new. It tells me that someone of 7 people is new.

Also maybe I need to explain the huge point you seem to be missing - players join, DO know what to do but then leave after they've got their clear. It doesn't take a brain scientist to know why having a clear only option would help this. You're either completely missing the point or trying to white knight the community when in fact, this wouldn't even be an issue if the community was honest and didn't try leeching off other people.

[karateorangutang]

It's the responsibility of the party founder to make sure every member knows his or her role and what to do. That may mean explaining the fight, for each role, asking and responding to questions, and have an overall understanding on every person is going to do. That's the job of the leader! If the party fails, that means as leader you did something wrong.

How is checking for a clear going to prevent people from joining as a role they not familiar playing as. If I clear something as DPS, that doesn't mean I'll be able to properly function as healer or tank. So the same problem still crops up.

Right now the party founder doesn't have the tools necessary though. All this is calling for is to provide that tool to the party founder. Additionally, if you have cleared before then you at least know the general rules of phase shifts and mechanics. It's easy to figure things from there.

The point is would you give a carpenter a pipe wrench and ask him to build a cabinet?

No, that would be ridiculous. It's not really far off base to what is happening with PF currently.

[Whiteroom]

It's the responsibility of the party founder to make sure every member knows his or her role and what to do. That may mean explaining the fight, for each role, asking and responding to questions, and have an overall understanding on every person is going to do. That's the job of the leader! If the party fails, that means as leader you did something wrong.

How is checking for a clear going to prevent people from joining as a role they not familiar playing as. If I clear something as DPS, that doesn't mean I'll be able to properly function as healer or tank. So the same problem still crops up.

Not sure if you're serious here:
I would like a tool for party leaders to better set up farm parties.

No! You will not have a tool for party leaders to set up proper parties! It is the job of the party leader to set up proper parties!

As to your last question, it has been answered many a time in this thread.
1. It will mean you have some idea of how the content is played at the very least.
2. One of the main reasons was to set up a farm party. To prevent those who join for the clear and leave after one run causing the party to fall apart, from ruining the party. Or is this a bad thing? tbh, this kills PF far more than not having the option does.
3. Also, it is not a 100% promise of totally skilled players, but you are more likely to get one with it. If you think they should only be implementing things that have a 100% success rates, you are being foolish, as this is nearly impossible.

I got a better idea. block obnoxious elitist twerps from the party finder. If you've cleared it 'infinity-1' amount of times.. find your own group.

Shit like this is why this game's community SUCKS.

Umm. I'm going to assume you were someone who read the thread title and nothing else. But yeah.... Isn't finding your own group what PF is for?

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Basically. But hey, at least people would have to look for a different scape goat foe why their farm fails forthe ttwentieth time that night.

[Eidolon]

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It's purely conjecture to try and suggest that this sort of addition would 'kill the party finder.' As a matter of fact, this option might encourage more seasoned party members to lead Farm parties, leading to an increase in the Party finder in total. The reason for this?

Any good Farmer right now with a half-decent FC will seek to build a PF from their FC. Those ones are currently not in the pool - with an option to lock the PF you're in to Clear-only status, however, it would be more likely to attract some of these members.


The PF at the moment is dead, but this option is not in the party finder right now. The reason for this? The content the game offers right now is all solo-content, outside of Savage. You que DF solo for anything you need, and atm the servers social are lacking.

A new player will not be prevented from creating a PF under such a suggested system. But they wouldn't be able to try and hijack a party after waiting half an hour to build a team in PF.

PF isn't begging people for help. It's to draw like minded individuals together into one party using a streamlined process.