The Real Problem with Parsers

[TiaHeart]

Also it is easy to see when dps aren't doing "enough". You fail included dps checks or the timelimit. Else they did enough. Objectively. I prefer the devs and game to set the bar. Not you. I hope they dont listen to you.

[Malevicton]

Also it is easy to see when dps aren't doing "enough". You fail included dps checks or the timelimit. Else they did enough. Objectively. I prefer the devs and game to set the bar. Not you. I hope they dont listen to you.

So for dungeons good enough is being afk? Because that's enough to avoid wiping.

Sorry, but honestly, no. People have different standards, I get that; it makes it hard to pin down a bare minimum. But I think it's safe to say that the bare minimum is something more than "not worse than literally an empty party spot"

People should at least try. They don't have to succeed, but intentionally making other people your personal tome gatherers is rude, even if it's not killing you.

[TiaHeart]

So for dungeons good enough is being afk? Because that's enough to avoid wiping.

If you feel the need to display your awesome WAR skills by tearing the dungeon apart on your own before the timer runs out yes. There is a timelimit. Also pls notice how i said there are kickreasons. I think afk was one of them. Also please notice how I said that "obviously still doable" was a part of the equation. Its not obviously doable when 2/4 afk, and I as one of the remains dont even know the other dudes skill. Please dont twist my words, you know i didnt want to advocate AFKing. I really didnt, and I dont want to promote things bad to the game. I just wanted to offend an elitist for talkin no reason at all imho
Didnt say parsers are objectively definitely wrong or adress anybody else. I adressed one person, and gave votes on the topic. When i vote, im not claiming thats "the only/best" way. Thats just... My vote

[TiaHeart]

But I think it's safe to say that the bare minimum is something more than "not worse than literally an empty party spot"

Guess what ? I agree 100%. Kickvote with "AFK". The game allows you to, and you have certified moral highground by the others voting yes. Problem is where?
I also never said I have a problem with balancind dngs a bit more harsh on minilvl/synclevel/timelimit. I personally find the frames ridiculous too and think 60 mins would be better. Sadly, it wasnt the topic.

People should at least try. They don't have to succeed, but intentionally making other people your personal tome gatherers is rude, even if it's not killing you.

They should. Im ok with kickreason "not trying". Im not ok with some dude judgin 600 dps on brd i180 is to bad, bcuz some dude upped a brd parse at 800, when mere auto attack sits at 300. The 600 dude is playing and "trying". He doesnt need your approval if he is better than the game asks him to be.

I just couldnt fit it all in the one post u quoted for 1000 char. Sry ^^

[Archaell]

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No offense taken... even if you wanted to offend me. Could you tell me why do you consider me an elitist? I would really like to know what makes you think that.

Also your posts seem like you are trying to encourage players to not even try. Do you know what happens when nobody in the group tries? It doesn't go well, it leads to content being nerfed. Do you like nerfs?

I am not sure how parser makes it bad for everyone, when in reality parser makes nothing bad. It just shows what the player is or isn't doing. So how do you want to hide that tank or healer aren't doing their job to make it fair then?

[TiaHeart]

Could you...

I wasnt kiddin when i wrote every random line. Maybe exagerating a bit, but its close to everything you say.
Pick this one: Tanks and heals have to take abuse if they dont deliver, dd need the same for "fairness".

Also your posts...

Where? I just see it like there is 95% content "for everyone" even those who perform at 70%, and 5% to satisfy those seekin challenges thrivin 90-100%. I do not want habits that are fine for the top 5 to be transfered onto the bottom 95. Thats a minority vote and discrimination by elitists. The MAJORITY of overall players IS BAD. There, i said it.

[TiaHeart]

... Do you like nerfs?

There is a right time and place for everything. I like that many people i knew got to enjoy stuff unsync now, which they would have never ever gotten sync. I can still run it sync if i want to for fun, but strangely its hard to find ppl. Cuz they are the minority

So how...

I dont want that. T n H are responsible jobs. If you know you cant do them, admit yourself you are bad and stick to dd. Its ok. If you are an ambitious person, advance. Theres guides, experienced people to teach, optional parsers, dummies, little high end content etc pp