"This is my playstyle" is a poor argument for being bad.

[Skivvy]

All this ninja talk is making me thirsty!


Does anyone actually have a good guide for new ninjars? Only 52 ATM, but I feel lost.

[RiceisNice]

1) "but sometimes tanks are slow to pull the next group " is the tank fault not yours , what are you even talking about? we're discussing about DPS not how terrible and slow tanks can be. IF you're going to put cases like "if the tank died and i have to .. " please leave this thread or stop replying because its a shame.

We're discussing how people who are deliberately playing bad shouldn't hide behind an excuse. The only shame right now is how you're coupling people who are apparently using kassatsu doton or refreshing their buff (inefficiently or not, but both amounts to what, a 2-5% dps loss in the long run if it's done inefficently?) are bads or even to the same degree as those being deliberately bad (since you're posting in the context of this topic)

2) Your party must be really bad ( or even you) for cast a double Doton against trash mobs in dungeons. NIN are a single -burst damage class , they aren't good against multiple targets, if your doton doesn't reach the 24 seconds of damage then you don't really need it and its a waste of time and dps.

No one said anything about using two dotons. Hell, you shouldn't even use two dotons in a row because it'd just overwrite each other.

Your posts are wrong in some aspects and you're still coming off as condensending toward people who don't play at maximum efficiency with regards to ninja. That's not what the thread is a bout or what the general census is on the discussion. Your posts reek of that "you play perfectly or you're wrong" context that people are against.

[Adire]

1) "but sometimes tanks are slow to pull the next group " is the tank fault not yours , what are you even talking about? we're discussing about DPS not how terrible and slow tanks can be. IF you're going to put cases like "if the tank died and i have to .. " please leave this thread or stop replying because its a shame.

2) Your party must be really bad ( or even you) for cast a double Doton against trash mobs in dungeons. NIN are a single -burst damage class , they aren't good against multiple targets, if your doton doesn't reach the 24 seconds of damage then you don't really need it and its a waste of time and dps.

You clearly have no idea what I'm even saying and are just out to call people bad without even knowing what you're talking about yourself, so I'll just bow out now. Have a nice day. But for the record, you just echoed everything I said pretty much. There are situations where using Huton Ninjitsu is a must and where it's beneficial between pulls, I listed one of those situations.

But yeah, Doton > Katon if all ticks hit. Stop calling the skill useless and people bad who use it because it's making you look like a fool when it parses higher than what you're recommending people do.

[Roegadyn_Bear]

I ran into thunder mage once ..

Ramuh is the only person who can pull off high DPS Thunder Mage though!

[ShanaShirayuki]

Your posts are wrong in some aspects and you're still coming off as condensending toward people who don't play at maximum efficiency with regards to ninja. That's not what the thread is a bout or what the general census is on the discussion. Your posts reek of that "you play perfectly or you're wrong" context that people are against.

Some aspects? You're being kind lol. Any NIN worth his/her salt knows how and when to use all of their Ninjutsu, LunaSnowfield is inflexible and is far from playing at "maximum efficiency".

Also, I'll leave this here for Luna, scroll down to AoE Rotation.

[raela]

Flipside of no dot bard: bard that used wind bite 117 times in A3N. Only used IJ once though.

[Azazua_azura]

and people sytill don't think people play bad to troll people...

people 99% ofd the time its a person trolling you -_-;; only the 1% is a mix of inexperience, or someone who just doesn't play video games and got roped into an mmo because itts mainstream.

this game is easy to comprehend even my nephew @ 4mnths old could play ff14 1.0 with a controler on the pc. (funny story with that). You guys act like playing games take skill (they don't) takes time to master a game, and play skillfully. but ice mages, thunder mages and what not are jusr copying WoWs first viral post aka leroy jenkins. That guy got famous for staging being an idiot, so much so his stunt is in other games. ppl want a slice of the pie. So don't be shocked that ppl will play like trolls.

[Gamer3427]

Let's imagine for a moment this game with no numbers popping out. you would only see the Boss HP bar going down.. Pretty sure the game would get into a different level of fun ^^

Agreed. I play with damage numbers turned off purely because I wanted to reduce the clutter on screen all the time. Everything they could tell me, I can learn from all the other HUD elements there are. It certainly hasn't impeded my ability to preform to the best of my ability in runs, but most people wouldn't even think about turning it off because they "need" to see specific numbers on what they're doing in order to have any idea of how well they're playing......

[RocheKat]

this is one of my biggest pet peeves. so much lost potential damage using limit breaks for kill shots

I don't use LBs as a melee if there is a caster in the group because I hope they know to LB big trash pulls... sadly no one ever does this. If not I try to use it asap on bosses because you can build a lot of limit on them rather quickly.

[Odett]

and people sytill don't think people play bad to troll people...

people 99% ofd the time its a person trolling you -_-;; only the 1% is a mix of inexperience, or someone who just doesn't play video games and got roped into an mmo because itts mainstream.

this game is easy to comprehend even my nephew @ 4mnths old could play ff14 1.0 with a controler on the pc. (funny story with that). You guys act like playing games take skill (they don't) takes time to master a game, and play skillfully

I can pull numbers out of my ass too, but it doesn't mean I'm right. By the way, due to its accessibility on PS3 and PS4, this IS many a player's first MMO. FF14 1.0 and ARR are completely different beasts battle-system wise, so I'm not sure were you're drawing the comparison.

Playing skillfully may or may not require some effort, but mastering a job is something else entirely. Can you honestly say that you can play a job so good that you see absolutely no further room for improvement?