Why do people want trash?

[TouchandFeel]

@Gunspec

I see your Oscar and raise you an Agnes, the junk lady.



This discussion reminds me so much of that scene.

"It's all junk!"
"What about this? This is not junk."

Quick somebody grab a lala and toss it in the air so we can start a sing-along!

You like to remind me of the game.
What game?
The game referenced by the ex-WoWer.
What WoWer?
The one that wants their way for you too.
Who do?
You do.
What?
Remind me of the game.

Yes, I know I'm a dork and my mind goes to strange places, but at least I have fun with it

[Alex_Lenderson]

If you rather mindlessly kill trash for hours, go play WoW. Being forced into clearing trash eliminates the ability for casual statics that only raid a few hours a week to enjoy and progress through end game content. Please SE, don't add trash to these raids. It is completely unnecessary and a total waste of time. SOO boring

Exactly right!

[Fevelle]

Reposting from other thread:

I really can't see any of the people complaining about trash as long term FF players. Trash mobs give us a hint of what random battles were on previous titles, something you had to deal with to get to the boss. I do think they need better AI and a chain loot system like FFXII, but they do not need any especific "reward" just because there are trash in some raids.

So this...

If you rather mindlessly kill trash for hours, go play WoW. Being forced into clearing trash eliminates the ability for casual statics that only raid a few hours a week to enjoy and progress through end game content. Please SE, don't add trash to these raids. It is completely unnecessary and a total waste of time. SOO boring

...is actually the other way around. This is not a WoW themepark, this a Final Fantasy themepark. Go play WoW if you want to kill only bosses.

[Naunet]

Over and over I hear people complaining that they want less boss fights and more 'real raids' for endgame content. My question is... why do you want to kill trash mobs? That seems utterly dull to me. Get to the meat of the fight instead of wasting time in trivial fights. Can someone help explain?

Likely because we find a single room with a circular boss arena to be utterly dull. A raid is supposed to be an entire experience.

[Mycow8me]

Im all for eliminating trash from most dungeons and leaving only bosses/mini bosses. If i wanted to faceroll trash mobs, id go do fates.

[Colorful]

If the party is flaming someone for triggering a trap that's required to be triggered to proceed, then it's their fault for being clueless.

That said, I agree the novelty of traps would wear off pretty fast.

Yeah, that's my point exactly. If people kick other players due to their own ignorance, what would they do if they knew it was 100% unavoidable after a few days/weeks?

[Alex_Lenderson]

Likely because we find a single room with a circular boss arena to be utterly dull. A raid is supposed to be an entire experience.

Experience in wasting time? Again where is the enjoyment in killing easy crap? Don't we do this enough in 4 man dungeons? Please no more trash fights they are 95% of the content in the game.

[ElHeggunte]

Likely because we find a single room with a circular boss arena to be utterly dull. A raid is supposed to be an entire experience.

But how would a bunch of moderately annoying mobs that only serve to pad your time spent in the instance spice things up any? Especially if you had to do them every time you entered the instance? It sounds like a lot of people only want it simply because that's what they're used to seeing in other games so they feel like that's how everyone else should do it.

Maybe if the trash served an actual purpose or interacted with the boss (like with T2) it would be cool, but if it's going to be nothing but mobs that are only there for the sake of being in the way I could do without them.

[Colorful]

Experience in wasting time? Again where is the enjoyment in killing easy crap? Don't we do this enough in 4 man dungeons? Please no more trash fights they are 95% of the content in the game.

No, the experience of a raid. I'm not the greatest at explaining things, but let's take open world games for example. Witcher 3 is a huge world littered by creatures, bandits, caves, quests, etc along with the main quests. What do you get when you strip everything but the main quests? The emptiest and most dull open world game out there, it may as well just be a linear RPG at that point. Raids have existed long before FFXIV, and many long term MMO players are accustomed to what raids should be, a grand adventure into a dangerous zone, filled with deadly creatures which you have to push through to reach the end boss, the end boss which is being protected by the other bosses and the "trash". That's what most people identify as a raid, it sets it above standard content, it makes the raid feel "alive" so to speak.

What do you get when you take that all away? A trial, which we already have. Could you give me one good reason why Alexander isn't listed as a trial? The game already has a term for these one-shot instances, or should we go in the opposite direction and ask "Why aren't EX primals raids?", they're no different from Savage raids from the most part, with Alexander normal feeling slightly more raid-like. The only legitimate raids we have are the CT series, and even then they're so straightforward, adds on a circle platform, move on to the next platform with a boss, and then adds on circle platform, etc. It's like they were expecting us or something and created these circular platforms just in time to battle us.

[Kotemon]

Fast exp if its available, more gil if available, and spirit bonding if it happens. Plus Trash dies really fast when compared to actual mobs, so Whm's can have fun out DPS-n the Blm in that moment. Just be glad they are all not being tied into some bigger game mechanic. Steps of Faith, Minotaur, Heads in Quarn, Sirus, crystal tower, Tamtara hard, Garuda King Moggle Mog, Halatali , Ever Weep, Sashta hard...

@Gunspec

I see your Oscar and raise you an Agnes, the junk lady.

That's a lot of potential material waiting to be converted