Idea for 4.0 Tank Class

[Xenosan]

That's probably correct I've misused my understanding. Astro I'm pretty sure is a reference to the Tarot Card Astromancer Warren of the Ogre.. Was their a beastmaster in early FFs?

I see Ogre more or less as the canon in which they constructed (or expanded/refined) their fantasy genre archetypes. So if it started with FF and that inspired Ogre, and then with Ogre expanded that via it's own universe, which fed back in FF? But might be i'm simplifying and imagining.

[Alahra]

But might be i'm simplifying and imagining.

Honestly, if you want to look for the real inspirations as far as roleplaying games go, a lot of stuff goes back to Dungeons & Dragons, which is where most of the "classes" of Final Fantasy (and Tactics Ogre) originated, at least thematically. Both series (along with Dragon Quest) are essentially a Japanese take on Western roleplaying games (which in turn grew out of Tolkein and wargaming). Even iconic FF "jobs" like Red Mage likely drew from things in D&D like Fighter/Magic-Users.

It's not really so simple as FF influencing Ogre or the other way around (though chronologically, things would have had to start with FF really, since even the very first FF in '87 had classes and advanced job transformations), as they're both just drawing on the long history of fantasy, so there are naturally going to be a lot of convergent ideas.

Astrologian has Final Fantasy roots as well: Time Mages (from various titles), the Astrologian in FFT (and I think in FFTA/FFTA2, but it's been awhile), and Corsairs in FFXI had card draws. XIV's setting made tying things to tarot/fortunetelling pretty natural, given the emphasis on astrology in Ishgard.

[Anova]

Wasn't dissing him or anything but was reacting with confusion to the claim that the Ogre series was the origin of many FF classes when the main "job" Final Fantasies predate the series by 1 and 3 years. The only Job that can say it originated in the Ogre series is Mechanist.

I realize. I wasn't trying to reprimand you or anything, but just sending out some more specifics because well... I'm a nerd and really like his work.

Origin stuff.

Yeah, a lot of early Jrpg creators got influenced by western tabletop gaming, either directly through dnd/warhammer or through its various japanese offshoots (e.g. sword world, because they only sell d6 dice in japan).

[ManaKing]

Yeah, a lot of early Jrpg creators got influenced by western tabletop gaming, either directly through dnd/warhammer

Another way to say that is that FF1 stole DnDs first monster manual. And thank god they did.

[ArdorGrey]

I'd love to see a caster tank that feels more magickey and less edgey than drk. I'd rather it be based off blue mage than red mage, but I wouldn't mind seeing aspects of the less common mystic knight and/or rune knight worked into either one.