Thread: Idea for 4.0 Tank Class

Originally Posted by Xenosan

But might be i'm simplifying and imagining.

Honestly, if you want to look for the real inspirations as far as roleplaying games go, a lot of stuff goes back to Dungeons & Dragons, which is where most of the "classes" of Final Fantasy (and Tactics Ogre) originated, at least thematically. Both series (along with Dragon Quest) are essentially a Japanese take on Western roleplaying games (which in turn grew out of Tolkein and wargaming). Even iconic FF "jobs" like Red Mage likely drew from things in D&D like Fighter/Magic-Users.

It's not really so simple as FF influencing Ogre or the other way around (though chronologically, things would have had to start with FF really, since even the very first FF in '87 had classes and advanced job transformations), as they're both just drawing on the long history of fantasy, so there are naturally going to be a lot of convergent ideas.

Astrologian has Final Fantasy roots as well: Time Mages (from various titles), the Astrologian in FFT (and I think in FFTA/FFTA2, but it's been awhile), and Corsairs in FFXI had card draws. XIV's setting made tying things to tarot/fortunetelling pretty natural, given the emphasis on astrology in Ishgard.

Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

Wasn't dissing him or anything but was reacting with confusion to the claim that the Ogre series was the origin of many FF classes when the main "job" Final Fantasies predate the series by 1 and 3 years. The only Job that can say it originated in the Ogre series is Mechanist.

I realize. I wasn't trying to reprimand you or anything, but just sending out some more specifics because well... I'm a nerd and really like his work.

Originally Posted by Alahra

Origin stuff.

Yeah, a lot of early Jrpg creators got influenced by western tabletop gaming, either directly through dnd/warhammer or through its various japanese offshoots (e.g. sword world, because they only sell d6 dice in japan).

Originally Posted by Anova

Yeah, a lot of early Jrpg creators got influenced by western tabletop gaming, either directly through dnd/warhammer

Another way to say that is that FF1 stole DnDs first monster manual. And thank god they did.

I liked everything, except dual wield. Save that for a DPS class.

Rapier please.

Honestly Red Mage is the perfect tank job. Since Tanks Heal/Strike/DPS.

I'd love to see a caster tank that feels more magickey and less edgey than drk. I'd rather it be based off blue mage than red mage, but I wouldn't mind seeing aspects of the less common mystic knight and/or rune knight worked into either one.

Echoing the "Give them a rapier, not DWing" but other than that, this is exactly what I want out of an RDM tank.

Rapier and Buckler, right out of FF1. Don't get me wrong, I had a lot of fun soloing certain content as a RDM/NIN in FFXI, subjobs were a thing, which they are not in FFXIV. Dual wield is overrated, and their are too many Kirito fanboys, "Ima a solo player" out there that a RDM dualwielding tank class would be more catering to a select base than actually being a fulfilling and back to the basics Jack of all trades, Master of none that is the FF RDM.

Originally Posted by Marxam

how about this guy for the next tank? Gunshields anyone?

Oh My God Yes!

My OCD likes there being a Black Mage DPS, a White Mage healer, and Red Mage tank. Also the kind of sort of Red Mage from FF Type-0 had duel foils true, and its not like they dont take liberty in this game but.... I think I like the idea of a single rapier/saber and a free hand to cast with. As for tank armor, most jobs dont have their classic look until the mid-40s anyway. Just make the AF gear sexy. They sort of hinted at this already being a thing.

The tank coat from the library is red.