Just came back to read what you all said, I've let my opinion be heard and all. I did however want to say because it bothers me...

Rhomagus is a terrible arguer, not only does he try to act superior because he knows how to talk and look the part. But he just can't quite understand that subjective things are the only things worth arguing considering that FACT can't be argued and is pretty easily understood. Thus the problem with this thread trying to say that the definitions were the issue when I'm pretty sure the definitions weren't what was being confused, it's the simple idea that people need to see where immersion begins and ends and argue their opinions.

Curses, not only did I personally attack someone but I inserted a new argument. Good luck all!